@Riot You should NEVER put champion changes in the hands of someone who doesn't PLAY that champion.

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It was also what was so toxic about teemo that made everyone hate him and want him deleted

Maybe. But you know what ? Because it was toxic, they nerf it to oblivion, and now it's not of any use anymore.

I used to main Teemo mid / top / was trying to jungle with him. Even bought Omega Squad for him. Now I'm addicted to Annie. The price for this bouncing shroom gimmick was too high and killed off any interests I had in the champion.

Shrooms used to have two roles : outside of combat, warding the whole map and hinder mouvements, in combat, allow you to kite opponent by quickly arming it. The first one is gone with the new duration. It has ben HALVED. Teemo have no more map control, you can now barely mine properly a quarter of the jungle when I used to spread vision accross all the map. The combat utilty died with the increased arm time. When you play a champion made of cardboard like Teemo, every second count. The new arm time is simply too much.

However, the biggest offense that Riot made to Teemo's main like myself is being a bunch of dicks by claiming everywhere on the boards and reddit that this is a "buff" to Teemo's ultimate in spite of the blatant truth. It would have been more "okay" if they clearly stated that Teemo's kit is deemed toxic and nerfed accordingly because of that. But no, "omfg player base, we buffed your champion and you're acting like a bunch of spoiled kids, chill and gtfo". That's probably why I feel compassion toward old Mordekaiser's mains.

Teemo already struggled against the new league of mobility and CC, with each new kit being filled with dash / blink / slow /whatever that crippled him because he's so frail and only have a conditionnal MS steroid on a long CD. But this tweak to his ultimate definitely relegated him to the rank of "troll champ you play for fun and wouldn't even consider for a serious match". My only hope now is that he'll eventually get a entire rework of his kit while still maintaining some sense of indentity.

pcik/ban rate = win rate. No matter if a champ is fun or not, people will pick/ban a champ that is overpowered.

BUT, i used to play fiora top A LOT. My main top champ, coz i really liked her playstyle and kit. They reworked her - never touched her again. Someone who has been playing fiora for a long time would have never approve of such changes, especially to ult. She used to be unique, now shes just your standart bruiser/lane bully just like every other.

Sure, you might say, that its a better stronger champ now, but once a champ that you love gets reworked into someone u don't, u will change ur attitude.

New Sion is alright, I like him. BUT the point is that he doesnt resemble old sion at all which this guy complained about with the morde rework. Sion was basically removed from the game. They took his name and slapped it on a new champ.

Screw you guys I hope every champ gets a relaunch so you guys will cry. WHY RELAUNCH A CHAMPION WTF?? MAKE A NEW ONE. Old sion ap or ad didnt have 2 useless abilities. E gaves tons of hp and added lich bane dmg. For ad the stun was reliable and great for annoying crap like vayne tumbling around everwhere and his shield helped him survive lane, block dmg and sometimes finish off a low hp target.

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That's because Sion had a fantastic rework. You can't deny that. Sion actually was reworked into a great identity. "The Undead Juggernaut"

Edit: I was incorrect. Sion had a complete OVERHAUL. Not a simple rework.

It's not fantastic if the result was something far different from Sion. They should have just made another champion, there's no need to replace an existing one as something else. Even the lore and visuals are vastly different.

Cass -> We wanted poison -DOT oriented lady. Yet, everything she has was put in E.

Which means Rioter [Stashu] knew jack shit about Cass or our expectations. This rework even showed that he doesn't care about lore or gameplay of Cass. he just decided to make his project that ignores everything important.

Morde -> everything he had was put in Q along with unhealthy exp mechanic. Because 3-hit mechanic is never wrong.

Teemo -> We gave him some stuff that doesn't help shit, and cuz of that we nerfed 1 thing he was good at to balance. R active time shortened by 5 minutes (5 minutes, dude, 300 seconds. For a mushroom to be thrown)

Sona -> I don't even.. She was strong at realse, no doubt, but what she's now is.. Floating nerfling.

Evelynn -> Tons of players wanted her gone/reworked. Riot reworked her into a tank. kkthxbai

WW -> He was strong before. Especially with devourer/feral flame. What Riot did? Nerf our wolf into woofless. And then they nerfed item or just totally removed synergy he had.

I can understand that some of you like new champs i stated above. I get that. But you are forgetting WHOLE LOT bigger groups of players who were happy with old versions. But hell, if you have A, Riot says they'll make B and then you receive Z then almost whole alphabet gone missing and everyone is surprised. Even Riot.

EDIT: Yea, I'm a moron. My father tells me that alot. But I live with that. No, Actually I'm happy being a moron cause I have easier way talking with other morons like you ;)

Veigar is kinda...

I dislike "new Veigar"

But we can't deny he's pretty OK. Nerfed/reworked or whatever.. he keeps on keeping his ground.

Maybe there is a reason it went through?

They didn't though, they were tested for a cycle.

i bet if it was another champion you wouldnt bat a second Glance at the issue.

I've batted many eyes at many reworks.

Why is it that Boxbox can make it work and do Really well with the new riven?

Because 1. he's a challenger player and 2. it's a buff.

because he Truly loves that champion and put time and effort into figuring out her new abilities, instead of making various posts about how it should be reverted.

The changes didn't go through, lol. It has nothing to do with "truly loving" the champion, I really like Riven's gameplay, her current gameplay. Nerfs don't bother me because they don't change how she plays.

No offense to you, but most people on the Boards that arent riven mains agree that this change will help make her balancing easier, aswell as making her more predictable in strength instead of just wondering how much damage she can do at certain points.

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There've been a few posts that take that point of view, but it's nowhere near a majority. It makes Riven far more predictable and less complex, those aren't good things, though. They also make her more oppressive when she's ahead. That's bad.

I for one Support these changes for Riven, and my Riven maining friend doesnt seem to mind the changes because we already worked out a rotation for her skills.

Then you should ask Rickless to make you a new champion that plays like his idea for Riven. It'll be a lot easier than actually learning the real Riven.

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Assuming all the dev's games are recorded by lolking is probably a mistake. They have private servers for testing, too.

So, you can just hand say... Orianna over to a Zed main who doesn't particularly like her, and have him rework her, starting with a few games on their private servers? No, the person who gets the job should already have a vested interest in the quality of their own work.

well u tell em to main excatly the 7 champs they need to main, after all those would be employes, not causal gamers.