Never thought I'd be doing this, but I'm actually permabanning that champ

Zed genius··1 votes·306 views

Just a heads up,I would advice people to read before going in the discussion section Who is none other than Orianna . It's so unfun to play against her no matter what champ you are playing. You play an assassin? Shield, passive armor and MR for just having the ball on her, movespeed, item 2420 . You play a poke mage? If her jungler has a gap closer they can literally int you with no counterplay on her level 6. You play a burst mage like Syndra? She can do all these things to you, and all this for free. Even if you let's say manage to somehow get ahead in mid guess what, it doesn't matter at all. And no I don't mean that she eventually will get her items and oneshot people like she is supposed to, her E and R are still more useful than most abilities in the game when behind. She goes 0-20 and has 2 items in 40 minutes? She presses R and her team kills you. She goes 5/0 and snowballs? Better flash her q w as a squishy or you get the grey screen. It feels like there is not much room to play against her in every stage of the game. Especially with the new runes and summon aery, she became even more annoying than she aleady was. And yea there will be the occassional "WTF AM I DOING" player that will ult with the ball on her feet, but you can't rely on ones stupidity to be the counterplay for a champ.Hear me out on this.How many times have you seen an orianna in the LCS use r in a teamfight and if it is long enough have it up again?I specifically remember a game of TSM that the orianna on the enemy team (I think) ulted in herald, got chased to bot and by that time ulted again when she wasn't even level 16. And I am not making this post out of saltiness of losing to her recently, last game I played before started permabanning her we actually won because they had a volibear(otherwise we would have lost).I don't even know if she is nerf-worthy, but she is goddamn irritating to play against

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Vad Nova2 votes

Have you ever played AS her? You should, will help you learn her limitations and cd's so you can play against her better. She is a pretty solid champ, but not over the top or anything.

Zed genius1 votes

I have tried playing her a few times in the past, I did decent in a few games and I fed one pretty hard and then I quit her because honestly I wasn't having much fun playing ori. I will only be picking her up in Clash when it gets released though

Whisper871 votes

She is pretty gated by mobility champs, so I recommend stacking champions with dashes and just playing split push or pick or a combination of those against her.

She is very good at just winning lane, but not amazing at securing kills 1v1. To put it another way, she is team reliant, and while she can harass you out of lane and farm very safely, it's tough for her to convert her CS/XP advantage into a snowball or win without a team around her.

Zed genius1 votes

she's def not a solo carry champ,never claimed that to be true,but when you want to win lane on an assassin and she just pokes you out for free with basically not much you can do about it(and yeah she won't kill you if you are not an idiot but pushing out of lane is equally as annoying)

Whisper871 votes

Um, assassins aren't supposed to be good at winning through lane are they? Pushers snowball through lane. If you are just sitting in lane versus an Ori waiting to kill her, you are playing the wrong way. Assassins have enough early game damage in their kit that you should be able to pull off a successful kill somewhere else even if you didn't already kill your lane opponent once.

Assassin strong suit is supposed to be roaming, ganking, split pushing, maybe skirmishing.

They are not supposed to be like the mid lane version of Illaoi/Yorick where they just snowball through lane. Just wave clear then roam. Ori neutralizes lane phase? Who cares? You just need to farm for dirk then spam roams and ganks.

Zed genius1 votes

her lane phase is uninteractive. Versus other champs you have the potential to kill them even if they know what they are doing, not against ori tho

Whisper871 votes

You just said she's not a solo carry. That's the whole point. She just sits and clears cuz she can't do shit. It's part of her balance. If she can't neutralize lane she becomes unplayable because wtf does she do before 5v5's start? Or if her team gets slightly behind early?

YokoNomi1 votes

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Have you ever played AS her? You should, will help you learn her limitations and cd's so you can play against her better. She is a pretty solid champ, but not over the top or anything.

Very much this. I'm ok with fighting against her, but I'm poor playing as her. So there's definitely something I'm not understanding in terms of those that are able to bring her to her fullest potential. To know your enemy is the first step towards defeating them.

Zed genius1 votes

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Very much this. I'm ok with fighting against her, but I'm poor playing as her. So there's definitely something I'm not understanding in terms of those that are able to bring her to her fullest potential. To know your enemy is the first step towards defeating them.

I guess that's kinda true

kaironen1 votes

Orianna imo is hard to play vs as a jungler's perspective. Her passive defense from e and shield, and the slow, zoning, and ms buff it gives makes it harder to get a gank off. Isn't vlad harder to play vs as zed? Idk much about other assassins vs him but vlad can just w zed's ult. Tbh though, vlad is just freelo atm and I have a natural hate on playing vs him since he's supposed to be a late game champion yet I see him go 6/2 every lane. It's not just luck probably since I've played vs him as poppy vs vlad before and if he is at least decent, he will destroy you will with no counterplay. He counters poppy and pretty much every tank but he is still extremely dumb and stat check.

Zed genius1 votes

i actually enjoy laning vs vlad more than vs orianna so i guess that's something(and tbh if you know what you're doing you can beat him as zed)

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