"Control wards and sweepers no longer disable traps"

RottedApples·Feb 8, 2017·3 votes·3,316 views

"Control Ward, Oracles Alteration, Sweeping Lens No longer disable traps such as Jhin, Nidalee, Shaco, and Teemo. These items still reveal traps."

thank the fucking lord. It's about god damn time. This is literally the only thing i ever asked for when it came to teemo in the current state of the game. (while some of the other mains were complaining about this or that or the other thing.)

I don't care if you can find all my traps with these items. the disable was complete bullshit.

20 Comments

xxxDogmanxxxFeb 8, 20172 votes

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sobi999Feb 8, 20171 votes

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You put effort into this. I don't get the downvotes :D but yh it's teemo so i get it.

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20172 votes

i cant believe the day came i actually have ban teemo.

i mean most of the op junglers got tuned down. the little shit is already strong enough of a meta champion right now as it is and far from the trollpick he used to be.

that change will remove the last tiny piece of counterplay to his shrooms. no, thank you and fuck him.

MissingKayoFeb 8, 20171 votes

Why not just not step on the trap if you see it then? Or kill it?

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20172 votes

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Why not just not step on the trap if you see it then? Or kill it?

right, im going to sit there auto attack the trap while he auto attacks me.

the hilarious part is, he can even blind you to protect the shroom.

this change entirely removes the ability to make a play on him when he sits in a nest of shrooms. he will always be able to kite out because he can just run away in a straight line while youre trying to zig zac your way through a minefield trying not to step on anything.

great idea.

this change is dumb as shit. at least when trinket and the ward allowed to disable shrooms, you could catch him out when he makes a mistake and steps out of position.

MissingKayoFeb 8, 20171 votes

Or clear it when he's not there? And if he is actively throwing it, try not stepping on the clearly visible trap?

I expected better of Gameplay.

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20171 votes

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Or clear it when he's not there? And if he is actively throwing it, try not stepping on the clearly visible trap?

I expected better of Gameplay.

youre simplifying the situation to a ridiculous levels.

setting up shrooms takes far less efford for teemo than it takes for his opponent to remove them. not to mention youre limited by sweeper cooldowns more than teemo is limited by his shroom cooldown.

you simply can not always take the time or get into the situation to be able to remove them all.

MissingKayoFeb 8, 20171 votes

I don't see the issue.

You see them once. You know where they are. Either clear them if he's not there (or get someone else to clear them) and/or chase and kill him or whatever and don't step on them. Why would you step on them? You see them now.

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20171 votes

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I don't see the issue.

You see them once.

you dont always see them. he can place them behind him or anywhere outside your vision radius.

even if you know where they are, theyre stil forming a safety net that you cant jhust get through. from behind this safety net he can abuse you as he pleases.

he pokes the shit out of you throughout the entire lane phase. you try to get into a position where you can fight back at him, he just runs back through his shrooms where you cant follow and resets.

righ now it possible to deal with him because of the ability to deprive him of this safety net. if they take that away, hes just going to be plain cancer of a lane bully.

i rather fight darius, illaoi, and even jayce than teemo when this change goes through.

MissingKayoFeb 8, 20171 votes

So an item that costs either nothing or 75 gold completely invalidating an ultimate is fine?

This is the same case with QSS versus Trundle/Fiora/Fizz ultimates.

Critmaster GarenFeb 8, 20171 votes

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So an item that costs either nothing or 75 gold completely invalidating an ultimate is fine?

an ultimate that makes him complete cancer of a lane bully without counterplay is fine?

teemos kit is toxic as fuck. no, its not fair that a 75 gold item can disable a champions ultimate (even though just ina small area).

but teemos entire kit is terribly designed, and you need an unfair mechanic for him not to become an absurd problem for game health.

do you even realize that amongst his most winning matchups there are already champions like

yasuo, fiora, riven, kennen, renekton and poppy? its not just a matter of him being a hard counter to garen and other slow champions. there are already highly mobile and bursty champions with ranged abilities he beats reliably, who make the best use of the trap disabling to create windows to blow him up.

removing the last counterplay to his shrooms is a mistake. and it will most likely lead to him getting a chain of nerfs until hes trash. which i will be fine with. hes receiving a significant buff when hes already in a generally strong state as a champion.

it WILL lead to teemo being overtuned, and it WILL lead to nerfs to the rest of his kit, because riot likes to dance around the most probematic abilites of champion kits.

sobi999Feb 8, 20171 votes

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right, im going to sit there auto attack the trap while he auto attacks me.

the hilarious part is, he can even blind you to protect the shroom.

this change entirely removes the ability to make a play on him when he sits in a nest of shrooms. he will always be able to kite out because he can just run away in a straight line while youre trying to zig zac your way through a minefield trying not to step on anything.

great idea.

this change is dumb as shit. at least when trinket and the ward allowed to disable shrooms, you could catch him out when he makes a mistake and steps out of position.

Build MR :D and don't chase him :D if there are minions around he most likely doesn't have shrooms there otherwise they would have detonated Dive him when you get the chance (he can't burst) If he blinds you don't go even closer to AA. Step back for just a sec and then initiate. Mushrooms don't burst u down nor do they stack. So if you get hit by a mushroom and still chase him then ggwp Mushrooms cost him his ult so why do you want a free item to take that completely away from him in a 1v1 fight? Lastly his mushrooms cost him his ult, using them means no Ult in fight and as you know he already has a sucker W with no damage and he is considered a assassin by some with mostly DOT abilities and squishy af. He requires alot of game knowledge to play if not skill and hence why you don't see many teemos out there now.

And if u used oracles and see tons of mushrooms then simply don't CHASE HIM. It's like being a mage and trying to assassinate an assasin. He poses no threat to you if you don't do what he wants you to do. Let his simple kit have some outplay potential when others fk up.