Pure Solo Q ( We need some actions beside posting)

SupriseBatSex·Apr 16, 2016·101 votes·2,589 views

Everyone has it's own arguments why Solo q should come back. It'll be waste of time to list them again and again. I dont think Riot will actually care about these posts unless we take more action I have 2 suggestion

Dont buy RP
Dont play ranked Until new announcement towards Solo Q.

If there is less solo players in the queue , 4 man premades will have much longer match up time. Solo players shouldnt be the "filler" for the 5th place And of course we should keep posting new posts to be heard..

EDIT: If more and more players stop playing ranked it'll have an impact on queue times considering the fact that Diamond (NA) player count : 24k(15k dia 5) Platinum(NA) player count : 98k(38k plat 5) If the players who stop playing is in higher tiers it'll have way much more effect on matchup times. Please also consider low populated servers..

40 Comments

DREADN0UGHTApr 16, 20168 votes

I stoped playing Rank in solo, and I spent my last RP yesterday.

Invictus UnbentApr 16, 20166 votes

Upvoted & signed. I've stopped playing ranked. Not a single game of Dynamic Queue bullshit.

BRING BACK SOLO QUEUE RIOT

Osaka 778Apr 16, 20165 votes

I totally agree. Vote by not playing LoL and not spending RP.

Eventually, if Riot doesn't listen to the community, I will lose interest and stop caring about dynamic queue and LoL altogether.

xl Kirito lxApr 16, 20165 votes

Glorious. I love these posts.

You're posting this on the boards. Let's say, 2000 people use the boards consistently. You're also posting on the G5&B board, even better.

You have 16 upvotes, and 6 unique commenters. We'll even assume that the hive mind mentality of this board gets this post up to 100-200 upvotes, and 100+ unique commenters. We'll even assume that the people who upvote this actually participate, and don't ranked / buy RP. That is nothing. I would say that is a fraction of a percentage, but that's incredibly generous to the amount of the player base that this post will reach. The amount of "profits" league is losing as a result of this post is a drop of water from a rainstorm.

But, good luck with your "boycott" of DynamicQ.

SupriseBatSexApr 17, 20162 votes

Well i think you're underestimating the power of one. If you are also started playing around season 1-2, you probably started this game with reference of a friend. I have a group of friends roughly 10 players. I was playing solo queue( not with duo) and ranked teams with my mixed elo friends. I'm not saying they'll directly quit if i move on but it'll have an impact. Also almost everyone who is higher than platinum or sometimes even gold they have at least one smurf account! Some people have accounts in other regions also. Also please dont forget the fact that League of Legends already losing players since 2015. 2013:44 million 2014:67 million 2015:64 million(this announcement made by one of the LCS sponsors I think if it's going up they'll surely announce like they did before. 100 people leaves this game? i say in the long run it's more like 500 accounts who goes inactive :)

Dr BirdieApr 17, 20161 votes

64 million > 500

Live2LetDieApr 16, 20164 votes

sQ and DQ can't coexist. It's dead for now. Done

SupriseBatSexApr 16, 201611 votes

There is other games with much less players that has such a system. Why not?

Live2LetDieApr 16, 20164 votes

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There is other games with much less players that has such a system. Why not?

Other systems dont allow the player to chose two roles they would like to play. The bottleneck for Q times is support. Split the small community up and you exponentially increase Q times.

Top 1% of the community is already small, like 20k players, spilt that up and low elo players will fill their ranks making rank pointless.

General Esdeath Apr 16, 201624 votes

If they can't coexist then kill DQ. Notice seasons 1-5 were better in terms of matchmaking. Why is 6 so bad? What changed? DQ. Why weren't 3-4 man premades allowed before? Because Riot knew it would be a shitfest.

Live2LetDieApr 16, 20163 votes

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If they can't coexist then kill DQ. Notice seasons 1-5 were better in terms of matchmaking. Why is 6 so bad? What changed? DQ. Why weren't 3-4 man premades allowed before? Because Riot knew it would be a shitfest.

Actually DQ existed before SQ. DQ had money poured into it and won't be killed. The rest is your opinion which isn't shared by the majority of the community, as proven by riot.

General Esdeath Apr 16, 201610 votes

First off, we're talking ranked, not normals. DQ didn't exist. Secondly, Riot's "surveys" (At least the ones my friends and I got) were so one sided I can't take them serious. The question I got was "Do you enjoy DQ" and the answers were "Yes" and "I don't play DQ". So essentially the outcome will ALWAYS be 100% of DQ players enjoy it. And if Riot puts money over the playerbase then they're on their way downhill, which would suck because I love League.

Live2LetDieApr 16, 20161 votes

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First off, we're talking ranked, not normals. DQ didn't exist. Secondly, Riot's "surveys" (At least the ones my friends and I got) were so one sided I can't take them serious. The question I got was "Do you enjoy DQ" and the answers were "Yes" and "I don't play DQ". So essentially the outcome will ALWAYS be 100% of DQ players enjoy it. And if Riot puts money over the playerbase then they're on their way downhill, which would suck because I love League.

Rank started with any size premade before solo Q. Don't spew bs. Numbers don't lie. There is still 30mil games a month. Top elo still has only 20k people. Numbers have not changed with DQ taking over.

General Esdeath Apr 17, 20165 votes

Ranked premades were only 1 or 2 players? Are you thinking of the same ranked I'm thinking of? And the high elo people (high diamond and up) get paired against premades of LCS teams. Fair system.

Dextix LTApr 16, 201610 votes

Wrong, it is sahred by the comminity. The riot polls proved nothing because of a few key points.

The question made in the questionnaire was a leading question that led the person to a certain answer. Lyte as a psychologist should know that. Many do.

Also, Riot was smart enough to release DQ and the new champ select at the same time while also releasing the two role choosing system. You think players discern them from one another? No, they dont.

Riot intentionally screwed with the people to get their "answer".

ZerictmApr 16, 20169 votes

Also, Riot was smart enough to release DQ and the new champ select at the same time while also releasing the two role choosing system. You think players discern them from one another? No, they dont.

I think this is the major problem. A lot of the people I see supporting DQ, also, mention something about being able to pick their roles.

WTFRWARDSApr 17, 20161 votes

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Live2LetDieApr 18, 20161 votes

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This guy knows exactly what is going on. Smartest guy on the boards.

Thanks man

SupriseBatSexApr 16, 20163 votes

Top of the community is already small. If 4 man premade challenger goes in to queue , how hard is it to match with a "FAIR" opponent. That's the problem and you're also stating that.

ChaddyFantomeApr 16, 20164 votes

Argument is shit when you bring up Team Ranked matches were a thing.

Live2LetDieApr 16, 20161 votes

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Argument is shit when you bring up Team Ranked matches were a thing.

Ranked first started out with any any size premade. Don't talk about stuff you don't know.

ChaddyFantomeApr 16, 20164 votes

What does that have to do with how it was before DQ? Trying to use fringe arguments when you don't have a point? how about you get a reality check? And do something other than resorting to strawmans.

There is no reason the two cant coexist if we had team ranked and solo Q before.

I hate my ADCApr 16, 20162 votes

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much less players

Why do they have less players though?

QuephaApr 16, 20163 votes

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Dont play ranked

Please do this, most people who complain about solo queue are unwilling to play support so this would dramatically reduce queue times and make playing dynamic queue much better!

gatchiApr 21, 20161 votes

most people dont like playing support. they want to play their flashy "get kills" role and game the system so they avoid playing support. solo q'ers leaving wont change that. times wont decrease from them leaving.

QuephaApr 21, 20161 votes

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most people dont like playing support. they want to play their flashy "get kills" role and game the system so they avoid playing support. solo q'ers leaving wont change that. times wont decrease from them leaving.

If a significant number of people stop playing dynamic queue and a higher percentage of those people don't play support than the people that remain then there would be fewer people in line to play not-support relative to pretty much the same number of people willing to support and the ratio of supports to non-supports is the bottleneck for queue times so that would cause a reduction of average queue times for non-support players.

gatchiApr 21, 20161 votes

Right, but thats assuming there is a higher percentage, and my whole comment was saying that i doubt it. Especially since ANOTHER BOTTLENECK is finding solo q'ers for filling in 3's and 4s. Even if solo q'ers boycott, and that somehow increases the relative support pool, queue times will still have pressure upward from not being able to resolve 3+ premades.

QuephaApr 21, 20161 votes

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Right, but thats assuming there is a higher percentage, and my whole comment was saying that i doubt it.

You're definitely wrong there. If you're willing to support you have instant queue pops all the time. If you are playing with a duo, trio, or 4 man then you have players more likely to group and use teamwork vs. the typical solo queue mentality of doing your own thing and ignoring pings so you can "carry", meaning your team utility is more likely to be useful with coordinated players. If you're willing to support then this is the best League has ever been. The only people upset are those who don't want to play support and were clogging up the queue times.

Especially since ANOTHER BOTTLENECK is finding solo q'ers for filling in 3's and 4s. Even if solo q'ers boycott, and that somehow increases the relative support pool, queue times will still have pressure upward from not being able to resolve 3+ premades.

That is not a bottleneck. The vast majority of players are still Solo Q players. Look through match histories and you'll see that plenty of games are still composed mostly of solos and duos while 4 + 1 games are very rare. If solo players were actually rare, they would need to always be matched with 4's since 3's can fit with 2's.

gatchiApr 21, 20161 votes

If you're willing to support then this is the best League has ever been. The only people upset are those who don't want to play support and were clogging up the queue times.

Solo Q'ers dont want solo q back because of queue times. They want solo q back because dynamic q is not a solo ladder. This includes all the diehard solo q players who are support mains, like me. And if the "vast majority of players are still solo q players" like you say, then most of them arent in groups ~~playing nice and choosing support~~ like you imply. Theyre queueing up solo and not picking support because they arent support mains. And you havent really provided any kind of reliable source that states dynamic q'ers have much more even distribution of role mains (more of them playing support). Other than some misguided notion that they play nicer because they play in groups and work as a team and therefore must pick support more often, im guessing? But are mostly solo q players somehow?

Look through match histories and you'll see that plenty of games are still composed mostly of solos and duos while 4 + 1 games are very rare.

How are you determining (use match history) when people are being matched with teams, and exactly what kind of groups? If you can share this with me we can continue this discussion.

QuephaApr 21, 20161 votes

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How are you determining (use match history) when people are being matched with teams, and exactly what kind of groups? If you can share this with me we can continue this discussion.

op.gg "recently played with" If someone is dynamic queuing with someone, they almost invariably queue with that person multiple times.

DedriusApr 16, 20162 votes

The queue times will be so rediculous with both gamemodes that they can't do it without finding a way to fix this. They could either take off the option to pick roles and have both queues (kind of like it was before) or they can only have one.

As a purely solo player I want soloqueue back too but I don't want to double my already high queue times (currently 11 minutes in this queue).

Dr BirdieApr 16, 20162 votes

I have seen this a few times and I am gonna stop you at "longer queue times."

One of the MAIN REASONS Riot is holding off on SoloQ is because they do not yet have a way to implement it without making long queue times on both sides. And they have said this.

Why would solo players stopping and making queue times longer convince them that they need to separate SoloQ and Dynamic Queue, making the queue times longer?

SupriseBatSexApr 17, 20162 votes

Well if Solo players starts to not play the match up will even get worse and people get pissed by "FAIR" teams and maybe stop playing ranked. The main reason solo players doesnt want DQ is think of this scenario . 5 friends *Gold 2 Player A *Gold 3 Player B *Gold 4 Player C *Gold 4 Player D *Silver 2 Player E After 50 games they've played together their ranks become *Gold 1 (probably near promotion) *Gold 1 *Gold 2 *Gold 2 *Gold 5 And after this they've decided to play alone. The problem occurs now. ( Not %100 but i've seen it happening multiple times) Player A will be climbing to platinum 5 easily and going on because he/she was mostly carrying/positively influencing the team most of the time. Player B/C/D probably shift between Gold 2/Gold 5 It's because also the variety of the mmr combinations also they didnt deserve their rank up %100 percent. Player E will ruin most of the games for others. In the meantime he'll have matchups with even silver 4 as a result of constantly losing the games. You can make up dozens of scenario. This one was purely optimistic 4 gold 1 silver. It could be 4 plat 2 with 1 gold 5 :)

Dr BirdieApr 17, 20161 votes

They just started changing it so that Plat V and up can only queue with people within 3 divisions of themselves, so you can't say a Plat II is queuing with a Gold V.

And anyone who gets carried to Gold I or Gold II will lose a few games and be put right back to where they are supposed to be once their Plat friend passes them by.

And if they ONLY play together then there is no problem because their skill levels will cancel each other out into a reasonable division. The one whose skills are that of a Plat II is stuck in Gold I, yes, but that would be their decision. They decide that they favour playing with their friend over making it into Plat II.

So, I have proved your provided situation moot, but your situation has nothing to do with SoloQ. You provided a situation where there is a pre-made team of 5 people which has no solo players on it. How does that effect solo players?

PheronApr 17, 20161 votes

That could be a good way of pressing Riot, but... well, DQ lovers are right that people visiting Boards is a low percentage of overall players.

BUT

I'm pretty sure that a big number of non-board soloqueuers have noticed and being annoyed by DQ's blatant flaws, so if we were able to spread the word to these guys, maybe we could stand a chance.

So my suggestion to solve this is gather around a well thought and written reference topic, discussing the flaws of DQ and suggesting to stop buying RP and playing ranked. Then, once that post has been written, we would keep on playing ranked and copypasting the link (maybe not only a Boards link but Reddit also?) at champ selection so the few soloers and duo guys that we find, can join (if they agree) the claims.

I don't think I'm suitable to write such a post, but someone might contact one of the authors of the highest rated posts about DQ?

A couple of ideas about the post:

-Opening, brief paragraph stating the target of the post: Bringing back a real solo-Q. It should be brief and strong in order to quickly get people's attention in the 2 or 3 minutes that champion selection lasts.

-Big section (divided in paragraphs, not a wall of text): discussing the problems of DQ that have already been pointed out a million times.

-Join-the-cause paragraph: explaining how to spread the post, giving also the reddit (or Boards) link of the post and giving a date to stop joining ranked games as soloers, since to spread the word we should play enough games and give enough time for the post to be noticed and "go viral" between no-Boards players. It might be worthy reminding the date on the heading of the post too.

Bronze II Yasuo Apr 17, 20161 votes

If you ask me It's already on the decline there was even a thread on Reddit about queue times

https://m.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4f18xx/how_the_hell_did_10_minute_queue_times_become/

I think the day support role dies off will be the day this will die off and they better start prepping a game mode of 4 man, man support mains have been switching or either stopped playing and I think the lack of supports is actually the reason for the queue times aside from other people stop playing

LuluUltedDzNutsApr 17, 20161 votes

You're putting 4 man premades on a pedestal as if there are millions of 4 man running rampant lol this wont do shit and if you honestly sat back and looked at things, you may be put with a 4 man premade once every 100 games? Why is every crying like they get put with 4 mans every game? Like ranked is code for The Dickhead and the 4 Nut Sacks? Personally I've played 250 games in plat elo and have never been the fifth wheel

WTFRWARDSApr 17, 20161 votes

Its going to be clearly obvious when at the end of the season, gold and plat shoot up to 55% of the ranked playerbase yet meanwhile 90% of people still go 1-5 in lane and rage quit in a normal. God bless you Riot