Y'know Riot, if you want games to last longer, remove the surrender option. Removing it could also make more things happen. it could encourage people to play better and not just go "my team sucks nice knowing y'all for 20 minutes". It would almost force people to play well so they can make the game finish faster instead of waiting on the timer to hit 20.
Dominick Destine2 votesBetter that they allow the surrender option at 10 minutes.
Tankkmain2 votesGreat idea! Everyone is complaining about short ass games. Let's make them EVEN SHORTER!
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Dominick Destine2 votesGreat idea! Everyone is complaining about short ass games.
Changing the surrender function doesn't make games shorter, they are equally long because they are over in exactly the same duration what you are arguing is being a complete waste. Being 25-4 means you've lost, wasting everyone's time is not a "game", it is a form of legal trolling.
There is a reason Grandmaster Chess players will tip over their King when they realize the match is lost.
Pasta Help Desk3 votesThe moment you stop believing you can win is the exact moment you lost. You will never be a Grand master Chess player with that attitude or league of legends player. Hell you can't even get good with that type of attitude. I guess that is why most the player base is gold or below.
Dominick Destine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Pasta Help Desk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ryI7jdv,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-02T22:18:06.103+0000)
The moment you stop believing you can win is the exact moment you lost.
Absolute nonsense.
"Belief" has nothing to do with reality, especially when the game is more snowbally than ever; You can "believe" all you want, but if your team is all 0-10, you are done. Waste other people's time if you want, but remember it only takes 4 votes to stop your trolling.
Pasta Help Desk1 votesWhy am I the troll for not wanting to call it quits? I guess on another note good thing 95% of the time I play I have a duo. Can't surrender if the duo doesn't want to!
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=Pasta Help Desk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ryI7jdv,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-02T22:45:56.450+0000)
Why am I the troll for not wanting to call it quits? I guess on another note good thing 95% of the time I play I have a duo. Can't surrender if the duo doesn't want to!
You ask why you are a troll... then state you act like a troll is this real life?
Helltoken1 votesbelief does mean something. If you've given up on a game after first blood, then you're not gonna win. if your mentality is "This is lost just surrender" then you're not playing to win your waiting to give up. you're not applying strategy to catch up, you're literally saying "I am not bothered to try because I want this to be done". If you start flaming others while they disagree, your strategy is now "I don't want to be bothered to win, and I want them to feel the same." If you've given up, you are tilting in that game.
Dominick Destine1 votesbelief does mean something. If you've given up on a game after first blood
False equivalency / strawman argument.
No one said "giving up after first blood", the argument is; Once the game is over (I.e. hugely one sided, ex 24-5), it is over. To repeat; A Grandmaster Chess player will tip over his king when he considers that the match is over.
Helltoken1 votesYour quote is off.... A Grandmaster Chess player will tip over his king when there are no more moves he can make.
I have heard many people compare league to chess, but the difference is pieces appear (objectives) and disappear, and move consistently (players and minions). So... why would you tip your king if their fed player decides to dive you all under tower and dies instantly. Suddenly you have an advantage, because the threat has been eliminated, and there are more pieces to move around. League is not chess. Pieces constantly move. Rooks can quickly become Queens. When the enemy makes a wrong decision, that can end the game for them.
Hugely one sided, like i said before, is allocated not through kills alone. It's allocated through gold difference, which is a combination of CS, Kills, Deaths, Assists, Towers, and Objectives, and Item builds.
You hear all the time in LCS commenting on the gold difference rather than the kill difference. Remember the game where fnatic was ahead of SKT in kills, but suddenly SKT aced them with a lucian pentakill and won the game (MSI)? it was (SKT)11-23(FNC), and a lucian penta at Fnatic's base finished the game. BUT the kicker is that the gold difference is 2k...
By your logic, FNC have won the game. By MY logic, the game isn't over. Fnatic were unable to push the advantages they had, and SKT managed to stay in the game through CS, objectives, and other factors. IE: Lucian has 3/4/6 kda with 384cs, while Sivir has 9/2/7 with 316 farm. both have the same build.
I thought diamond players would know this stuff....
reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O79tiHr51I
Dominick Destine2 votesYour quote is off.... A Grandmaster Chess player will tip over his king when there are no more moves he can make.
/facepalm No. A Grandmaster Chess player will tip over his king when he concedes victory to his opponent, not when his opponent has scored a checkmate. **That's literally the opposite of the function of tipping over your king **(I.e. conceding victory)
Helltoken1 votesyour logic confuses me man...
You're saying that tipping king is conceding victory. that's obvious and true. but why would you concede victory? because you cannot get out of losing. you're simply saying A Grandmaster Chess player will concede victory when he concedes victory to his opponent. What IM saying is A Grandmaster Chess player will concede victory when he cannot find a way to not lose, or when he cannot find a way to win. That is why he gives up. not because he concedes victory. that's what you do when you give up, not the reason to give up. see where I'm going with this?
And to further elaborate: i never stated when his opponent has scored a checkmate. When a loss is inevitable, it can be as far as 5 moves BEFORE the checkmate even happens. THAT's when a chessmaster concedes defeat: when he cannot escape it, or turn it. You don't play chess do you....
and in reference to league of legends, there is always something you can do to escape defeat, unless you are 20 minutes in, you are many kills AND CS AND objectives down, and they have all their pieces clumped up. If they can't get inhib before 40, even with 40 kill advantage, the game isn't lost. You will eventually get equal items.
SilenzioTheWolf1 votesExactly, the moment you stop believing you can win is the moment you stop playing to win, and at that moment you've lost. How will you ever get good at something if you give up every time you think there is no chance in winning. There is always a chance of turning a game around, no matter how one-sided it may seem, if you have enough skill to turn around even the most one-sided of matches, then you will win the game. You will never get good at anything if you give up at the slightest hint of failure.
Helltoken1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ryI7jdv,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-02T22:14:09.615+0000)
Changing the surrender function doesn't make games shorter, they are equally long because they are over in exactly the same duration what you are arguing is being a complete waste. Being 25-4 means you've lost, wasting everyone's time is not a "game", it is a form of legal trolling.
There is a reason Grandmaster Chess players will tip over their King when they realize the match is lost.
I've won countless games behind on KD ratios. If they can't do anything with the kills they get, then they clearly don't know how to close. Just stall the game out until gold difference doesn't matter, and you're on equal terms. If they have more objectives than us, and are good at finishing/snowballing, THEN i surrender. but not when they just look for kills on a map. kills stop giving a lot of gold after a while if they don't die either. If my team is down 15-2, but we have 3 towers and 2 drakes, why would i surrender. They literally wanna pick off the solo farmer, while we group up to get objectives, and all they do is kill and recall. I've won several games where our team didnt even have a kill.
Kills mean nothing if they can't do anything with it. What I hate is when a game is lost in both KDAs, drakes, barons, AND towers, and the game is in the early stage of around 20 minutes. if theyre 25-3 but the game is at 45 minutes, most likely you are equal in levels and should have the same amount of items. so.... youre equally strong. just wait for them to make a mistake and a stupid call.
Dominick Destine1 votesI've won countless games behind on KD ratios.
Many people have survived jumping off of bridges/jumping off of a cliff.
Does that mean its a good idea?
Helltoken1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7ryI7jdv,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-12-02T22:54:58.014+0000)
Many people have survived jumping off of bridges/jumping off of a cliff.
Does that mean its a good idea?
Did you read my entire thing? If people have many kills, but aren't snowballing off it, then the kills mean nothing.
I forgot to add if their CS is low, and yours is high, and the one kill you got gave shutdown gold, then you aren't as behind as you think you are. Take into account other forms of global gold, and kda doesn't mean much if they can't seem to win with the lead the kills had given them.
And I also forgot that if all the kills are in one champ, it simply means without their one fed champ they aren't as strong as they think, and if their fed guy constantly dives 5 men under tower with the team still on their way, then the game can still be won.
Again, you're diamond, I'm a silver scrub, so what would i know right?
Dominick Destine1 votesAgain, you're diamond, I'm a silver scrub, so what would i know right?
Yep.
LordGeovanni1 votesas a person who has won 25-4 games being on the 4 team even with a man down you dont know how wrong you are its just people are too lazy to put in effort and work to get the win they want. i wish riot factored how much people surrender into the match making (not how much you are on a team that surrenders)
Pasta Help Desk2 votesJust remove the surrender option from ranked games. This should of never been allowed to be a thing.
Zyorhist1 votesthis is a minimum
Live2LetDie1 votesFollow CS go. Can only surrender if someone leaves the game
Doctor Jarvis1 votesIf you remove the surrender option people will just leave the game instead of trying to surrender. Because that's the situation WITH surrender.
LordGeovanni1 votesat least remove it from ranked and draft pick this will discourage casuals from going there when its supposed to be a test of skill knowing they cant just leave when they want. not saying casuals cant play ranked just that they will know what they getting into
Zyorhist1 votesyes remove it.