"Orianna has no counters" -Apdo (reposted from reddit)

Handin Out Naps·7/16/2017, 7:43:14 PM·68 votes·11,586 views

Other people that I hated facing off against were those who had really low lp (around 300~400 in master tier) but played champions that wouldn’t lose the laning phase. It’s difficult to win against people who play champions like Syndra, Taliyah, and Orianna. Yeah, I’d usually farm more cs than the enemy laner. But those champions are impossible to crush.

Orianna’s counter? Orianna doesn’t have a counter.There are no champions that can defeat Orianna in the mid lane.

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/6nmbjk/even_apdo_admits_that_orianna_has_no_counters/?st=j57478ek&sh=6691f103

Cx orianna takes skill btw.

165 Comments

SirTeemoMushroom7/16/2017, 7:55:55 PM32 votes

apparently some silver players on the comments know better than the top 1 challenger ever seen in china- korea LEGIT AF

PhantomGG7/16/2017, 8:15:10 PM23 votes

bronzies in this post trying to argue against literally the worlds greatest player, who spends his entire life analyzing everything is so fucking cute.

Killed Inaction7/16/2017, 7:48:03 PM14 votes

She does, actually. When I was playing Lux mid, I was very frustrated that I could never decisively win lane against an Orianna. I saw many, many complaints about how OP she is, so I decided to give her a try.

Several games later, I've come to realize that she does need skill to play. She's probably mid-range in skill, but that's nothing to scoff at.

Sure, she doesn't have a "counter" who can consistently win lane 7/0 in 15 minutes, but outfarming and roaming is effective against her.

Just because 1 high elo person says a champion is overpowered, doesn't mean he/she/it is.

If you put more time into learning how to beat her without worrying about getting tons of kills, you might get somewhere. She's just not a champion who dies in lane. There are others who are similar in that respect, so I don't see how it's a problem at all.

Leblancs Boob7/16/2017, 8:02:48 PM14 votes

Her laning phase is waaay too oppressive for how good she scales. She needs a serious mana cost increase on her q.

Officially7/17/2017, 12:10:47 AM12 votes

"Apdo's understanding of the game is much deeper than most people who will comment on this page. For the majority of the people who play this game orianna isnt a problem, because most people who play orianna do not have a understanding of her. When apdo says ori and syndra are unbeatable in lane. Hes not talking about the majority of syndras you see. Hes speaking about the top like .1% of people who play those champs" Just because you play Orianna, doesn't mean it's a free win. Any Diamond+ midland could dumpster Plat and below Orianna's. This is only relevant at the top level.

Xonra7/16/2017, 10:13:50 PM8 votes

I say Ori is ridiculous and has little coutner play directly, I get downvoted and mocked. Apdo says it and all you hear is D sucking noises and the clicking noises of upvotes.

I hate hate hate the word "sheep", but in this case, I gotta use it. "Yeah But you're silver, so you don't know what you're talking about". I guess if I said water was wet you guys would probably say the same.

DuskDaUmbreon7/17/2017, 3:04:29 PM7 votes

Not having a counter usually means they don't counter anyone, either. Morgana mid is almost the exact same thing. She doesn't win lane against anyone, really. But she doesn't lose against anyone, either.

Martyrofsand7/17/2017, 4:15:22 AM5 votes

I love when people want to go with the "but a pro said" argument when talking about anything related to league.

Then again I'm old enough to remember Doublelift saying ADC as a roll would die out.

I'm old enough to remember pros thinking Lucien was garbage until he gained steam in Korea

Honestly I'm just old enough to remember several times pros have been wrong time after time after time, and realized that like everyone else they have their own bias with which they view the game. In this case you have an extremely aggressive midlaner who's halmark is stomping the hell out of his opponents and carrying games bitching about champions who's halmarks are being extremely safe laners who are hard to kill during the laning phase. Gee I wonder why he could be complaining about them.

The same reason pro ADCs complain about assassins, the reason pros that favor tanks complain about ADCs, the reason assassin mains complain about champs like Janna and Lulu, I could go on. People who favor a specific playstyle or champ bitch about champs that counter those playstyles.

I would be willing to bet he would bitch if mid lane Morgana became a thing again, because if you think Orianna/Syndra/Tailyah are safe laners who you can't crush mid Morgana has been the poster child for safe mid laner since she was created.

HalcyonDweller7/17/2017, 6:33:24 PM4 votes

Isn't Orianna vulnerable to longer ranged poke such as Xerath, Lux, Vel'Koz and Ziggs?

Blåbæret7/17/2017, 12:48:07 PM4 votes

Xerath Anivia Velkoz Ahri Ziggs

archerno17/16/2017, 7:49:11 PM3 votes

Isnt Lucian mid her counter ?

BBQChicken Alert7/17/2017, 6:30:31 AM3 votes

Skill with Oriana is what makes her so strong. You can't faceroll and get the same results. I hate Oriana, but don't say she takes no skill.

Eternal Torment7/16/2017, 10:15:42 PM1 votes

I Kinda have to agree but also Kinda Disagree?

Orianna is pretty damn strong and dying in lane for her will be difficult, BUT she does have some decisive Counters who can push her back, such being Zed and Ziggs, namely.

I Myself Main Zed and I have yet to lose my lanes vs any Orianna, with or without my roaming. Sure, she can hard pressure at lvl1 and 2 due to her zoning potential, and deny farm because of her Ball being such a threat, but her weakness is instant burst with escapes. Orianna's Ball doesn't instant move, so she will have a lot of issues with Mobile enemies who can also deal a decent chunk of damage, and Zed is someone who does both in it's perfection.

Ziggs as far as I am Concerned possesses the stronger Siege Potential and Harrass Inlane, his Q's can chunk absurdly hard once you hit lvl 9 and got maybe half of your Morell done with boots, which actually is not that much AP to consider. His AoE ranges make it further difficult for Orianna because she Needs to position herself in order to possess the range for positioning her Ball, and Ziggs can deny her that Self-positioning with his W and his E, whilst harrassing her inlane with his Q and push Towers hard with his passive and his W Tower-execute.

Long Story short, Orianna is a threat, she is very strong, and she does not require an otherworldly skillcurve to Play. She is hard to master, but she is incredibly easy to pick up and make first steps with. However she has defined Counters, they are just not popular as of right now, but that does not make them non-existent.