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@Meddler PBE Azir Tweaks?

Deity Set··3 votes·1,984 views

Now I could be completely wrong, but isn't the PBE the place where things get tweaked around? Where you test things to see how they fit and how they will work out? If I'm wrong please let me know. Azir hasn't been touched since the little love tap you guys gave him, with the 2 seconds off on his W. I haven't seen any form of testing on the platform you supposedly​ test things on. I completely understand that Azir is very hard to balance between OP and useless, but I wouldn't even be writing this if I saw some form of effort on the PBE. All I've seen for the past two years is new skins for everyone's favorite champ (Yas, Riven, Lee) the meta champs that are in every game. Me obviously being an Azir main, is stuck. I see such an amazing champion with such great potential. But no one is even looking in his direction. People would rather leave him in the forgotten pile while they make the 14th Lee-Sin skin. Sorry for the rant, I'd just like to play one game as my favorite champion.

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RiotMeddler6 votes

We put stuff on PBE once it's pretty close to release, with the occasional exception. For a lot of things PBE doesn't give very good feedback, given how most people aren't playing to win, it's harder to get good matchmaking, leaving is rife etc. PBE can give good feel feedback sometimes, and catches a number of bugs, it's usually very poor for highly experimental concept testing though, to the extent that putting something like Azir update experimentation there now is more of a hindrance than a help. We are testing some Azir stuff at present, starting with trying a reduced spell range version of his existing kit to see what we can learn from that. Can't offer anything further on timeline at present, do expect it'll be a while.

Related note, in terms of total designer time I'm confident Azir's in the top 10 of champs for time received for the period since his release. We've done a lot of looking in his direction, in part because we agree his concept as returning Shuriman emperor is a really cool one.

La Bello1 votes

PBE can give good feel feedback sometimes, and catches a number of bugs, it's usually very poor for highly experimental concept testing though, to the extent that putting something like Azir update experimentation there now is more of a hindrance than a help

is this why the Riven Edge experiments got removed? I dont think there was ever an official reason as to why it was removed. It sorta just dissipated and never came back. It would be nice to have some closure on exactly what went on and why it got canned ....

pretty hurts1 votes

It was removed cause it made Riven simply saying broken.

La Bello1 votes

that was a numbers problem not a design problem.

by design it made total sense. If Riven wanted to maximize DPS she would have to weave autos between cast akin to Lucian. the whole R>Hydra>W >R Q one shot non sense was getting nerfed.

ShadowParker1 votes

Who's no. 1 in your opinion?

Who's another in the top 10?

Deity Set1 votes

Thank you very much for replying to my question. I appreciate you taking the time to explain what is going on and I feel much better now. Thank you and good luck with the updates!

Winterkill1 votes

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We put stuff on PBE once it's pretty close to release, with the occasional exception. For a lot of things PBE doesn't give very good feedback, given how most people aren't playing to win, it's harder to get good matchmaking, leaving is rife etc. PBE can give good feel feedback sometimes, and catches a number of bugs, it's usually very poor for highly experimental concept testing though, to the extent that putting something like Azir update experimentation there now is more of a hindrance than a help. We are testing some Azir stuff at present, starting with trying a reduced spell range version of his existing kit to see what we can learn from that. Can't offer anything further on timeline at present, do expect it'll be a while.

Related note, in terms of total designer time I'm confident Azir's in the top 10 of champs for time received for the period since his release. We've done a lot of looking in his direction, in part because we agree his concept as returning Shuriman emperor is a really cool one.

Ryze being number one and Karma being number 130. You're welcome.

Last avatarname1 votes

A few days ago they said they are working on azir

found it: they are working on a mini rework

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/cah9GQvp-quick-gameplay-thoughts-june-6

Deity Set2 votes

Thank you and I know about this post actually. If you read it, they say they have been pushing it off every time the subject comes up. And won't be out for a couple of months so smaller things can come out. I honestly think it should already be working on it and brought out first. It's been a year of Azir being on the bottom. I don't think pushing it off a couple more months is fair, in my opinion.

ShadowParker1 votes

The thing is, the champions they've targeted have been waiting for much longer. They're getting to Azir now, but I'm glad they've put him off to work on other champions.

Blakiepug1 votes

I feel kind of the same way about one of my favorite champions Tahm Kench. Like Azir he has been left in the gutter for a while now and it feels like Riot doesn't even remember he exists. :(

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