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meddler. please for the love of god get rid of rageblade vayne

DARPA··5 votes·1,435 views

tanks. will never. I repeat this. tanks will never be viable in solo queue for a bunch of reasons. if you want an obvious one. rageblade vayne

do you really want to play a tank. and die in 2-3 seconds to one champion. that has two items. even if you have more items than her? if you say yes. then pick a tank

this shit. is unbelievable. for the love of everything good about god. return the old ranged penalty on phantom hit. please for the love of god meddler.

the amount of true damage vayne does is unholy. this should not be a thing.

its not just good vs tanks. she will half health squishies in less than 1.5 seconds with HoB and W max. its toxic as hell.

vayne does 14% max hp health for free. every 2 auto attacks with rageblade. she has the highest attack speed of any champ in game

she gets 2.0+ attack speed. almost 2.5 with 3 items and runes.

she will basically do 14%+ botrk damage twice. + physical damage. every two fucking auto attacks with rageblade. shit is toxic. as fuck for tanks to deal with. its undealable with

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bluefire mark 25 votes

"Rageblade vayne this rageblade vayne that" just. Buy. Thornmail, and fight with a god dang team. YOU'RE A TANK. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LIVE THROUGH A VAYNE ALONE. The point of vayne is that she DOES damage tanks with her w. Stop complaining and learn to deal with her, i have no problem with her, she does good or does bad, is blown up easily, easy to stun and lockdown. Or, more simple solution, BAN HER.

I'm legit sooo tired of people complaining about vayne right now...

Crispy0Snake4 votes

There's a big difference between a tank and a useless blob of hp. They both look the same, have the same items and abilities, the only difference is the player.

A tank is supposed to make it so that they cannot be ignored as a frontline. If you can be ignored, the enemy team will walk around you and you'll be useless.

Vayne is really good at staying in range of her target because of her passive. So you can't walk away from her. When she ults and you're a tank, your instant objective should be to flash on her and cc her, your team should follow up. If you stop her dps and she gets blown up, you win the fight. Edit: This isn't a "just cc her lol" reply, most if not all tanks have CC abilities. I'm just saying "use your abilities" in a fight

If she's so far ahead that she can 1v5 at 15min, your bot lane deserves to lose

Saezio1 votes

flash on her-> she flashes and doesn't have to even ignore the tank.

Quáx2 votes

As a vayne player. I do agree with you, her silver bolts have the ability to proc every 2 hits instead of 3 with rageblade, so that's 14% of the targets minimum hp as true damage every 2 hits, combine this with the fact that last whisper now gives you an additional 20% armor Penn, your looking at around 11.2% of the target's health every 2 auto attacks. And thats without her ult, which at rank one gives you as much attack damage as a B.F sword(that being +40 attack damage) and at max rank ult it gives her more attack damage than an infinity edge which is +70 attack damage and 20% crit, and this item costs 3800 and is one of the most expensive items in the game. Its not that horrible at rankone since shes a squishy champion, but in my recent games, even I find it concening.

Accursêd1 votes

don't get me wrong i like the concept of vayne as a champion, i just dont think that she needs as much as she has, revert the ulti buff that turns q into a 1 second cd, and reduce true damage on w and you should be fine

Solo Q Memes1 votes

Champs with strong true damage can be really bonkers. You kind of can't really build against them if they are ahead. It is frustrating, I hope they do 'something' about it. Seeing 1k true damage and like 300 physical damage on the death recap just feelsbad.

Accursêd2 votes

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You kind of can't really build against them if they are ahead.

you can't build against it at all

rageblade vayne does 28% of your hp in true damage every 3 autos when she has guinsoos stacked

11 autos and you die, no matter your build

whether you're 10k hp sion

whether you're 800 armor malphite

11 autos MAX and you die

KFCeytron2 votes

{quoted}

you can't build against it at all

rageblade vayne does 28% of your hp in true damage every 3 autos when she has guinsoos stacked

11 autos and you die, no matter your build

whether you're 10k hp sion

whether you're 800 armor malphite

11 autos MAX and you die

Where are you getting 28% every 3 autos? It's 14% per W, and with Rageblade that's happening every 2 hits, so 28% every 4 autos (assuming it was pre-stacked, too). So that's a little over 14, not 11. Also note that you're complaining about getting killed after taking autos in the double digits while most carries nowadays will just instantly kill you before you can even react.

Quáx2 votes

Her silver bolts do 14% of the targets minimum hp as true damage every 3 auto attacks, but rageblade allows you to do proc your silver bolts every 2 auto attacks, so his numbers are pretty correct.

KFCeytron1 votes

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Her silver bolts do 14% of the targets minimum hp as true damage every 3 auto attacks, but rageblade allows you to do proc your silver bolts every 2 auto attacks, so his numbers are pretty correct.

No, they're not. It's 14% every 3 without Rageblade or 14% every 2 with Rageblade, the latter of which would be 28% every 4 if you wanted two procs of damage. 28% every 3 hits isn't a thing. Has the Vayne QQ really reached the point of "4 = 3"?

Accursêd1 votes

2 stacks per auto, 3 stacks needed to proc

2 4 6

HMMM

KFCeytron1 votes

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2 stacks per auto, 3 stacks needed to proc

2 4 6

HMMM

"Guinsoo's Rage: Every other basic attack triggers on-hit effects twice."

 

#every other basic attack

######hmmm

Weiss Guertena1 votes

11 autos, assuming ideal conditions, take 4.4 seconds to pull off. Those ideal conditions include: attacker having 2.5 attack speed (not happening until really late into the game and extremely heavy investment into AS), defender not having Cold Steel passive (which you should have when playing a tank into Vayne as it's the only item effect that "counters' her W), and attacker being able to fire those 11 autos completely uninterrupted; meaning that they don't move between autos and that they don't get CC'd and/or blown up while just standing there in a single spot (admittedly, easier on Vayne due to Tumble). Also, in this specific scenario, there is another condition to be fulfilled; Vayne attacking something 6 times right before engaging on a champion.

If THE tank-killer champion can't kill a tank in more than 10 attacks spread over 4.5 seconds, an eternity in this game, under several perfectly ideal circumstances (of which you'd be lucky to have two fulfilled in a game versus decent opponents) then that tank-killer sucks at their job.

Also mind that Rageblade is an expensive item with lots of wasted stats; Vayne does not benefit from AP or Magic Penetration, and if she opts into a Last Whisper item then that's another passive wasted. If Vayne gets ahead then she should be properly rewarded for that, but if you put her behind she can't get Rageblade without putting herself even more behind.

Accursêd1 votes

the problem with vaynes case specifically is that she can build ridiculous tank items that will allow her to shred everyone while not being in danger of being bursted, and she has invis and a dash every 1 second that prevents her from being killed by dps

btw if someone who goes rageblade buys last whisper thats a reportable offense for griefing (satire)

The thigh guy1 votes

Wait wait wait. I finally get to say what I get told whenever I say something needs to be fixed. Ahem ahem ahem.

JuSt Cc HeR!

Accursêd1 votes

yeah korean advice bruh

Moonscourge1 votes

Tanks SOAK damage, they don't become invincible. That is where most players turn off their brain. They think that tanks never die, by the MMO definition.

Naramiel1 votes

The issue isn't Vayne in this case: it's the item that turns all 3-hit champions into 2-hit champions. Vayne's true damage is a lot, especially combined with her other tricks, but if it was still every 3 hits it would be a lot more manageable.

5050BS1 votes

Get rid of Rageblade all together. It is broken on all champs that build it.

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