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The strange relationship between Riot and bruisers

Ale non è male··3 votes·491 views

Rioters of the balance teams have often talked in the past about how bruiser class has gone out of their control at times and they needed to nerf them because of how much damage they were able to deal while being so tanky

At the same time, in the last seasons Riot has nerfed so much pure AA/AS/AD tanks, and it looks like they'll keep nerfing them even in the future (see BoTRK going untouched and the new Warmog that seems more suited for bruisers than pure tanks because they benefit more of out of combat regen than tanks that needs to stay in the middle of the fight to soak up damage), that these kind of tanks are completely disappearing from top lane, which is becoming the land of mages pushed out of midlane because of other kind of mages/asassins and bruisers

So, if tanks become less viable, bruisers have less competition in top lane, but this go against Riot balance team purposes of keeping in balance bruisers

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Kuroi862 votes

A nerf to tank items is also a nerf to bruisers, they require tank stats even more than tanks. Tanks have means of scaling into the late game with tank items, the nerfs are minor to them. Bruisers need both offense and defense in order to remain relevant, a nerf to defense is a significantly more noticable blow to bruisers than tanks. Tanks can simply build more defense, bruisers can't.

Ale non è male1 votes

A nerf to tank items is also a nerf to bruisers, they require tank stats even more than tanks. Tanks have means of scaling into the late game with tank items, the nerfs are minor to them. Bruisers need both offense and defense in order to remain relevant, a nerf to defense is a significantly more noticable blow to bruisers than tanks. Tanks can simply build more defense, bruisers can't.

WHAT? Are you crazy? The only defensive item nerf that has really hit bruisers has been the movement speed slow eliminated from Randuin, but that's pretty much all, and it hit both bruisers and tanks Most of the bruisers have benefitted from BoTRK changes as their lifesteal has got even higher, Tanks have been penalized by BoTRK changes because they are discouraged in building health. Warmog has been nerfed and will be nerfed even more for tanks, while bruisers didn't really build it a lot How tanks are supposed to scale into late game if they can't build their defense properly as they can't build health because health item were nerfed and anti-health item became much more powerful?

Kuroi862 votes

How many bruisers build Bork? There are only two that come to mind, Jax and Irelia. Meanwhile most bruisers benifit more from Ravenous Hydra. Frozen heart saw a major buff. Iceborn Gauntlet barely got touched this season. Sunfire took a minor cut in damage, hardly an issue for a tank who's supposed to be tanky, not deal damage. Spirit Visage lost 10% cdr, which seriously doesn't effect any tank as they should already be near max cdr before getting it. Banshee's Veil got a cost increase and the passive cooldown increased, not a big deal. Locket got reworked and is better than before. Thornmail, untouched Randuins, had the attack speed debuff on active removed. Warmogs got a slight price increase

I'm not seeing any heavy nerfs to tanks. You see someone building Bork, well, Frozen heart, Sunfire and Thornmail will ensure that they are still killing themselves faster than they are you. Bruisers are tough to balance, this is a fact, anything that benefits any other class in terms of offense and defense, benefits the bruisers as well. FYI, Bork was largely nerfed, not buffed, it got a slight buff to it's on hit damage, but every other aspect of it's passive was nerfed in return.

Ale non è male1 votes

How many bruisers build Bork? There are only two that come to mind, Jax and Irelia. Meanwhile most bruisers benifit more from Ravenous Hydra. Xin, Aatrox, Warwick, Tryndamere, Trundle, Olaf, Shyvana

Frozen heart saw armor increased but atk speed slow decreased, so say it had a major buff is wrong Icebron was nerf in s4 as it lost 10 armor without gaining anything Sunfire is not strictly for tanks, as much as SV, and banshee, so mention them when you talk about tank itemization is plain wrong The new Locket is waaaay worse than previous Locket, and was anyway a support item and not a tank item Randuin was nerfed, Warmog was nerfed, Thornmail is untouched but situational

BoTRK on hit passive has been buffed, and this is the aspect that matters the most for tanks, because the best anti-health item has bean largely buffed in his anti-health component, as the tanks are the one that see the highest amount of health taken away because they have the higher amount of health when the battle begins. And champs that use AA and AS like the bruisers mentioned above benefit from it aswell; BoTRK has been nerfed only for the assassins ala Zed that used its actives to burst down enemies and avoid them to ran away

So you are really wrong in your assumptions, a large chunk of tanks have been nerfed hard

Kuroi861 votes

How many bruisers build Bork? There are only two that come to mind, Jax and Irelia. Meanwhile most bruisers benifit more from Ravenous Hydra. Xin, Aatrox, Warwick, Tryndamere, Trundle, Olaf, Shyvana

Vs champs like Pantheon, Renekton, Nasus, Darius, Fiora, Gangplank, Jarvan, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Rengar, Riven, Sion, Talon and Wukong who all scale better with Hydra...

Frozen heart saw armor increased but atk speed slow decreased, so say it had a major buff is wrong Icebron was nerf in s4 as it lost 10 armor without gaining anything Sunfire is not strictly for tanks, as much as SV, and banshee, so mention them when you talk about tank itemization is plain wrong The new Locket is waaaay worse than previous Locket, and was anyway a support item and not a tank item Randuin was nerfed, Warmog was nerfed, Thornmail is untouched but situational

And what, you think because of this tanks as a whole are nerfed while bruisers are buffed?

BoTRK on hit passive has been buffed, and this is the aspect that matters the most for tanks, because the best anti-health item has bean largely buffed in his anti-health component, as the tanks are the one that see the highest amount of health taken away because they have the higher amount of health when the battle begins. And champs that use AA and AS like the bruisers mentioned above benefit from it aswell; BoTRK has been nerfed only for the assassins ala Zed that used its actives to burst down enemies and avoid them to ran away

So you are really wrong in your assumptions, a large chunk of tanks have been nerfed hard

Where? I'm seeing tiny numbers and you're talking like tanks are now obsolete. A bruiser may have the early game, but once a tank gets to their late game, that bruiser is going to be running just as hard as the rest of his team because he can't take down a true tank.

Raptamei1 votes

Riot said the problem with bruisers was that they were derpy balls of stats with no play or counterplay. You just run at the enemy and if they can peel you, you die like a pig, if they can't peel you, you right click and kill their face, which is largely out of the bruiser's control.

They still haven't figured it out yet, but they're making progress.

Ale non è male1 votes

I have nothing against the bruisers. But what they have done has been nerfing pure tank items to try reduce their tankiness, with the result bruisers are fine, tanks are in trouble

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

riot nerfs tanks ? i know that riot nerfed maokai because he was oneshoting ppl with full tank build but never heard of many other tanks getting nerfed (maybe there were some tweaks to rammus)

the problem is that riot cant settle meele's too much

tanks cant deal dmg but cant be ignored (problem 1) bruisers neeed some playstyle besides dive enemy carry and hope to live (problem 2) meele carries need something to not get blown up while not being totaly unkillable (problem 3)

there are also some problems with form switchers who are popular because either they do everything better than anyone else (pre nerf elise), or they have some part of their kit that can be exploited while rest of their kits backs it up(pre rework nidaele)

and the problem with assasins who exist to oneshot ppl withuot them having a chanceto fight back, but riot cant allow them to kill ppl without them fighting back because its unhealthy for the game

and problem drag on and on

Ale non è male1 votes

riot nerfs tanks ?

Riot nerf tanks itemization, so yeah, they nerf tanks

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