Do Lee Sin's all have the same guide or something?

Call A Dr·Dec 4, 2015·2 votes·444 views

Hi, OK, I main Amumu jungle,

And I just feel so much hate from Lee Sin :(

Every game, he's waiting in the same brush at the same time, same items, same everything,

It's like, for me

Ok, vs a lee, at 2:00, take two steps to the left, lee bubble fly's where I just was,

Ping myself for backup, lure him that way,

Lee die's.

It's getting boring, I want to find this guide "When you're vs an Amumu" guide.

Because I played Noc and Sej, and when I am vs Lee, they don't gank me, but when i'm amu, same brush, same time.

And then advancing further into the game, I will go to gank a lane and well, it's almost too easy, walk towards the brush, step to the left, a lee sin Q,

It's literally boring as hell, but if someone knows about this guide, I would like to know, because it's boring the shit out of me.

8 Comments

AbyssphereDec 4, 20152 votes

Lee Sins are probably the single most predictable junglers in the game outside of Shaco. The "I NEED to invade" mentality is strong in them.

With Shaco that mentality is so strong that I just get my second buff in his jungle because I know for certain that he's gonna be going for mine. It's pretty satisfying to spot him walking into my jungle with a ward while I'm going into his. It's not massively advantageous to trade buffs or anything, obviously, but it denies him the first kill that he needs to snowball and means he doesn't get me behind on farm either.

RalanrDec 4, 20151 votes

I should do this. I tend to hate counter jungling but this seems like a better idea.

AbyssphereDec 4, 20151 votes

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I should do this. I tend to hate counter jungling but this seems like a better idea.

Believe me, I'm not a fan of it either. The first time I counter-jungled a Shaco was probably the first time I did it in general because I prefer to just clear my jungle safely and start ganking. But as long as you've got a ward to show you either where Shaco is in his jungle or whether or not he's in yours, you should be fine. The important thing to note with Shaco is that he's pretty reliant on getting the jump on people, so if you find him it's not anywhere near as scary as it is when he finds you. If you go to his red and it turns out he's there himself, it's pretty good because it means he's not counter-jungling you, he's not likely to get a kill on you (so he's not taking advantage of his early game) and it's entirely possible that you can force him off the buff and steal it.

I've never counter-jungled a Lee Sin because it just seems unnecessarily risky, but in theory this should work against him too. His jungle sustain isn't as good as it seems - he always arrives in your jungle at full health because he's had time to sustain it up with potions/natural regen while running across the map, but he often gets dangerously low during the initial clear, and is very vulnerable while taking red from my experience. If you counter-jungle him in anticipation of him going into your jungle but instead you find him clearing his own buff, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

RalanrDec 4, 20151 votes

I usually start Red is the thing. One time a Shaco ran into me at birds (I do red after birds and Krugs first). Fucker killed me and used the birds for help.

AbyssphereDec 4, 20151 votes

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I usually start Red is the thing. One time a Shaco ran into me at birds (I do red after birds and Krugs first). Fucker killed me and used the birds for help.

I tend to start red as well - my standard path is Krugs > Red > Blue, as the junglers I play tend to be running low on mana by the time I get to Blue. Against Shaco I just alter my route and start blue side, basically. Mostly to avoid stuff like him ganging up on me with raptors xD