I'm getting the distinct feeling that more than a few summoners aren't quite sure what's happening to Orange essence. - You've made it clear what's happening to Blue and Ip, but Orange seems to be in doubt.
RiotRiot Grumbles53 votesHi everyone! I agree we haven't spelled this out as clearly as we should have. We did cover this in the preseason FAQ.
The TLDR is that ALL shard disenchant values are being changed from 33% of value to 20% of value. So if you have shards lying around that you're not intending to use, we recommend disenchanting them before preseason kicks off on November 8th to get the most possible essence out of them.
More context below:
Are you making any changes to the way disenchanting shards works?
Since you'll be getting more shards thanks to the new leveling system (and with other recent changes to honor and events), we'll tune down the relative value of the essence you get from disenchanting shards of all types—champ shards, skin shards, and ward skin shards.
In the current system, for example, disenchanting a champ shard will get you about a third of the BE you need to buy a champ at that shard's tier. In the new system it'll get you 20% of the way there. Also, with so many more champ shards in the system, we need to remove the ability to reroll them into permanent champs—but we’ll occasionally sell mystery champions for blue essence. For these reasons, you should go ahead and reroll or disenchant any shards you don't want to upgrade before preseason hits so you can get the most essence possible out of them.
To make up for essence drop rate changes, we'll tune the way loot boxes work to increase the amount of skins you'll get from them. We'll also add "bad luck protection," so you won't ever go on long streaks without getting a skin shard or a gemstone from chests.
Dr Poro2 votesWhy aren't the Rune related skins coming on BE sale? I saw it earlier in a preview and was excited to get the Xerath and Volibear ones.
Newerthian1 votesWhat rune related skins?
SpaghettiVase2 votesI think they are meaning Runeborn Xerath and Runeguard Volibear. I don't believe these skins are actually tied together with the rune system they are just Rune themed skins.
Sp33d Zer05 votesIs there a place you guys have links to that shows the ratios for getting the most out of our conversions? Such as IP-> Blue essence vs IP -> Shards -> blue essence
CytheGuy3 votesWait, so are we still expecting to get more shards even if we are already level 30?
kile1479 votesLevel 30 is no longer going to be the level cap! League is going to be moving to a system similar to Overwatch, where you will be able to level up infinitely and will get a chance at champion/skin shards every time you do.
RainbowIcee5 votesIt's a good optional system but a terrible mandatory one. I hope league never stops selling skins normally.
marzgamingmaster15 votesCannot say this enough. I also play HotS and Smite, and I have actively refused to buy loot chests there because it feels crappy to do. Let me just give you money for the thing I want, and I'll whale myself into homelesness. But make me feel like you're trying to trick me into it by manipulating me, and you won't get a penny.
RainbowIcee2 votesExactly, i personally have terrible luck i wouldn't want to gamble my chances at getting something i want. Which is why i work not live off quick money schemes.
[sg-poppy]
kile1472 votesKeep in mind that you can still directly get the things you want. Items will continue to disenchant into blue essence which will be used to purchase things in the shop just like IP does now. Not sure how it will feel overall, but supposedly the goal is to feel roughly the same as the current system, just with fewer currencies.
JTMOODY2 votesNot being able to buy the skins I wanted in Overwatch is one of the reasons I don't play it anymore.
SlashStriker1 votesHow are we going to unlock Champions? Is it going to be based on randomness?
kile1471 votesChampions can be unlocked the same ways as currently; by buying them directly with IP (which will actually be blue essence) from the store, or by finding a champion shard and using a smaller amount of blue essence to unlock it.
Isilio2 votesYea, but I think one of the big things is that unlike IP you won't be getting BE after every match, so you will have to wait and wait and hope that you get a shard that is worth enough to disenchant in order to get the champ that you want. If it's not then back to grinding and grinding. Then again, I haven't seen this change in action, so who knows maybe you will get the equivalent BE you would have gotten from an equal amount of games via IP.
Cabruh1 votesAre the OE costs to make a skin permanent being increased as well? I have Dawnbringer Riven in my shard collection and I dont want to have to wait even longer to get enough shards to unlock her.
Nefas12 votesWould you consider removing 450 IP champions from boxes and capsules? It honestly feels so incredibly bad to open a chest a get a Garen shard. Chests and capsules are supposedly to be rewarding and 450 champs (whose IP cost can be obtain with just 3 wins) do not feel like a reward at all.
xDamien2 votesWould you consider removing 450 IP champions from boxes and capsules? It honestly feels so incredibly bad to open a chest a get a Garen shard. Chests and capsules are supposedly to be rewarding and 450 champs (whose IP cost can be obtain with just 3 wins) do not feel like a reward at all.
Ha, you have no idea dude. I got 3 Honor Capsules so far and all of them have been 450 IP Champs... THAT FELLS BAD. [sg-shisa]
mMayheMm1 votesHa, you have no idea dude. I got 3 Honor Capsules so far and all of them have been 450 IP Champs... THAT FELLS BAD. [sg-shisa]
I got DJ Sona shard and dragon trainer trist from it…
xDamien1 votesI got DJ Sona shard and dragon trainer trist from it…
Sorry for the late reply.. but how do you get Skinshards from a Capsule that only gives Champshards and/or Grey Warwick and Medieval Twitch? [slayer-jinx-unamused]
mMayheMm1 votesYou're thinking honor 5 capsules. I'm talking about regular honor capsules
Eeyore8 votes[{quoted}](name=cCc Grumbles cCc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6rAnRELs,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-01T18:54:59.959+0000)
That doesn't seem much clearer, to be honest - almost everything you said was concerning Blue Essence.
Up to this point, you guys have also implied that levelling chests only contain Champion Shards. Thus, since the changes to levelling will only interact with Blue Essence rates (based on what's been previously said and nothing you just said contradicts it) - why is Orange Essence changing?
Or are non-leveling boxes going to be skins only, now? (i.e. Honor and Mastery). You briefly gloss over this in your last paragraph, but it's not clear at all why/how Orange Essence is changing - only that, apparently, it is.
DeathBurst3 votesSince you'll be getting more shards thanks to the new leveling system (and with other recent changes to honor and events), we'll tune down the relative value of the essence you get from disenchanting shards of all types
Wait, wait. I thought we were almost only getting Champ Shards from the leveling system, so why are the changes to the leveling system impacting ALL Shard Types?
BramK2 votesI was under the impression that only champion shards and blue essence were changing and that orange essence and skin shards would stay the same. Finding out otherwise I am infuriated.
BramK1 votesI was given information from an official source that turned out to be untrue. This isn't fair. i'm losing thousands of orange essence over this
I am furious. I have 40+ skin shards and lost a lot of orange essence over this.
I saw information that said orange essence and skin shards would not be changing and that's what I continued to think and when I saw the notice that said shards were changing and to disenchant them, I thought "Yeah, I know about that already and I already did that for my champion shards/blue essence" and carried on. There are likely many others like me who were fed incorrect information from a riot source and believed it to be true only to be blindsided when it changed like this. I haven't been compensated at all and believe I should get the same opportunity to disenchant my shards for previous value.
FistinYourFace4 votesThe communication was misleading (not precise, also including wrong statements, as others pointed out), and many got surprised. Therefore I would consider it as fair, to give another deadline to disentchant (ward-)skinshards for old values combined with a very clear official statement on it.
To trick people out of fear about negative responses to system changes is not honest, and a poor reasoning. This has nothing to do with any judgments on the system changes itself.
So please compensate for the losses players received due to miscommunication.
Cl0ud74 votesI am on the same fucking boat, this is ridiculous, i am not going to spend another € until they solve this.
Arougah2 votesExactly. I read the FAQ when there was no word stating changes to the orange essence. Now im sitting on 48 skinshards, including 2 Ultimates and more then a handful legendary ones that I all bought before the changes and wanted to think about wich one I would get LATER ON. Easily 200€ worth of boxes. When the information popped out "We recommend you to disenchant all shards .. bla bla" I wasn't expecting my skinshards to be worthless out of the blue!
In Borke Veritas1 votesMore shards where? Bad luck protection where? So far I've been getting the same level of nothing with this new honor system that I was getting when the key shards dropped from winning games. Haven't gotten a gemstone in an entire year or longer. Sitting on honor level 5, playing every day but getting one key shard every 3 or 4 days? Bruh. Now I also get less for disenchanting the 1 skin shard I get per 2 weeks. Thanks, Rito, that feels real good
TranscendVirtual1 votes[{quoted}](name=cCc Grumbles cCc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6rAnRELs,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-11-01T18:54:59.959+0000)
Hi everyone! I agree we haven't spelled this out as clearly as we should have. We did cover this in the preseason FAQ.
The TLDR is that ALL shard disenchant values are being changed from 33% of value to 20% of value. So if you have shards lying around that you're not intending to use, we recommend disenchanting them before preseason kicks off on November 8th to get the most possible essence out of them.
More context below:
Are you making any changes to the way disenchanting shards works?
Since you'll be getting more shards thanks to the new leveling system (and with other recent changes to honor and events), we'll tune down the relative value of the essence you get from disenchanting shards of all types—champ shards, skin shards, and ward skin shards.
In the current system, for example, disenchanting a champ shard will get you about a third of the BE you need to buy a champ at that shard's tier. In the new system it'll get you 20% of the way there. Also, with so many more champ shards in the system, we need to remove the ability to reroll them into permanent champs—but we’ll occasionally sell mystery champions for blue essence. For these reasons, you should go ahead and reroll or disenchant any shards you don't want to upgrade before preseason hits so you can get the most essence possible out of them.
To make up for essence drop rate changes, we'll tune the way loot boxes work to increase the amount of skins you'll get from them. We'll also add "bad luck protection," so you won't ever go on long streaks without getting a skin shard or a gemstone from chests.
4 months into preseason, i disagree, you shouldnt of changed the orange value at all, as those don't drop from level up shards....you still only get them out of boxes
RedScare241 votesYou did not spell out this change. In fact you mislead a lot of people, including me. And then you lied to my face. I hate you so much for what you did.
Limmie9 votesI wrote a PSA about it but people downvoted it for some reason and so nobody saw it.
Velzard of Koz3 votesMaybe people downvoted it because they wanted a source of why you thought so? It wasn't in the main thread.
EDIT: Though looking at the source of the source it seems it has already been adressed, just easily missed. And also they directly state that you will be getting more skin shards anyway which would compensate. Just so that people don't panic.
Quepha9 votesYou should start disenchanting skin shards you don't want to use before the next patch. The PBE is already showing reduced disenchant values for skin shards.
Naono5 votesThank goodness, I read this.
Why change to orange essence though. I mean they still not easy to come by has blue essence will be. [sg-soraka]
SweedishGunner3 votesWhat do I do with champ shards I want to use for mastery levels? Are they still valid for increasing mastery levels?
Boxleitner3 votesThank you Mr Grumbles!!
As I understand it then: because the value of essence is going up, it's better to wait till preseason to forge skins because each essence you keep will be slightly more valuable in preseason.
I'm really trying to understand this. It's either this or it won't matter because the forge value will practically remain the same.
Sraeg20132 votesIt's the other way around.
It's better to disenchant all shards you don't intend to use before preseason.
RiotRiot Grumbles9 votesThis is correct.
The ratio of shards to essence is going down with preseason so for any shards you want to disenchant, you should do that before preseason starts.
For forging shards into champions / skins, it doesn't matter when you do that since the value of champs and skins will remain unchanged.
Hope this helps.
Nautoday3 votesSo you said that you can no longer preroll 3x champion shards for a new one, but will you still be able to do that with skins?
RiotRiot Grumbles4 votesCorrect the skin rerolls will continue to exist.
Owyn2 votesaren't you going to combine RP with orange essence like you're doing with IP and blue essence?
XanaxTheImmortal2 votesI think keeping RP the way it is would make it more universally applicable if Riot ever comes out with another game considering you have to actually spend money for RP.
Stexe1 votes[{quoted}](name=cCc Grumbles cCc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6rAnRELs,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-11-01T19:59:59.857+0000)
This is correct.
The ratio of shards to essence is going down with preseason so for any shards you want to disenchant, you should do that before preseason starts.
For forging shards into champions / skins, it doesn't matter when you do that since the value of champs and skins will remain unchanged.
Hope this helps.
You should definitely make it clearer. Right now in the FAQ it is listed under IP and Blue Essence and makes reference to Orange Essence changing.
Boxleitner3 votesThank you!! Yes my brain hurts. Yes! I finally understand! :)
I appreciate the patience.
Zed genius2 votesnothing changes to orange essence, why are people so confused?
Quepha29 votesWrong. Starting next patch, skin shards will disenchant into lower values of orange essence.
Boxleitner1 votesQuepha,
so should i forge a skin I want now? Or wait till preseason?
Quepha4 votesForging skins looks to be the same price on the PBE, the only thing that's different are the disenchant values.
