When are we going to address the problem that is Garen?

S0kaX·2/23/2020, 12:19:13 AM·1 votes·1,609 views

If you want to see League's actual state in just one champ, look at Garen. His ult deals half your hp in true damage. WHICH IS POINT AND CLICK. His movement speed is so insane he's competing with Hecarim. Also, why does he have Wukong's ult as a 9s ability minus the knock up? Trading with this champion is not even an option, unless you can constantly poke him, as his passive will heal up any damage you deal, even pre-11. And I can't even comprehend why his Q gives him both tenacity AND silence. I thought you wanted to remove stat champions, so why is this allowed then? Why is a champion that can build NO offensive item allowed to faceroll any champion that doesn't have 3 dashes at least or that doesn't burst him quick enough?

7 Comments

Netcraover2/23/2020, 12:37:36 AM2 votes

Truuuuue

NickColaTesla 2/23/2020, 5:20:54 AM2 votes

Garen's E could use some toning down. That shit takes out half your health with 1 ability.

And his Q shouldn't give him movement speed when running AWAY from champions. His title is the "might of Demacia." Not "Coward of Demacia."

fabfan2/23/2020, 10:36:30 AM2 votes

His movement speed is so insane he's competing with Hecarim

LOL Garen got the second worst MS Steroid in the game (Sett is the worst one) you are just tilted to say something stupid like this.

why does he have Wukong's ult as a 9s ability minus the knock up?

When Wukong was create Riot use Garen Kit as a base.

I can't even comprehend why his Q gives him both tenacity AND silence.

You don't even know what the champ really does and you dare to complain..... His Q is just a MS steroid (who is the second worst I remind) and the silence who is just 1.5 sec (remind cho got a silence who last more than 2 sec and it AOE)

Also remind that silence is the worst CC in the game now since you can buffer your ability.

I see you history and you lose vs a Garen with predator as Renekton

Okay first Renek is good vs Garen so you have the matchup advantage AND since Garen has predator normally he is not supposed to be able to trade a Renek, most of the time Garen has to concede the lane if he play with that keystone.

The only way I see you lose that lane is you make to many BIG mistake, a Garen with predator can only punish if the opponent does stupid decision (sorry but that the word) like your wave management was bad, you don't play around CD (garen W is 20 sec don't tell me you can't do something and you can ignore his burst by healing you with your Q), you recall timing was bad etc.

Garen predator can only start to shine in midgame by getting some pick or by flanking the enemy, this kestone is macro oriented.

Oh yea also

Why is a champion that can build NO offensive item allowed to faceroll any champion

This Garen was building juggernauts item, Trinit and Sterak who are offensive item so it normal if he does damage because that what a juggernaut is supposed to do.

Juggernaut class can deal a lot of damage (around 1k-2k in midgame) and got a good survivability and durability ( Garen is more focused on durability with his resistance compare to Darius who got more survivability with his healing) but in exchange they got a low mobility compare to the other class, Garen and Sett got the worst MS steroid, Darius and Morde only have a grab etc.

If you lose your lane vs a Garen it just because your a not good enough at the game so instead of complaining try to find your mistake and start improving.

Alex Luu2/23/2020, 4:15:13 AM1 votes

He’s not bad anymore since they all go squishy trinity and attack speed items now, just one shot them lul.

The Flashless2/23/2020, 5:33:22 AM1 votes

The problem with Garen is that they always want him to be viable, but the playerbase is just past that point. People constantly say "you just don't know how to play against Garen," but they're missing one key point.

Past silver elo, MOST people DO know how to play against Garen. You simply do whatever you can to avoid being Q'ed, get DMG in while he tries to Q you, or keep him locked down so he can't trade for free. The issue that arises is that his numbers are constantly buffed to compensate for the playerbase improving. Reality is, Garen is a champion that just SHOULDN'T have a positive winrate after a certain point.

If current Garen were dropped into the game many years ago, he'd be considered busted and you can quote me on this.