Can we get a lol legacy server?

Leto GT·Jun 9, 2018·86 votes·20,615 views

I feel disconnected with "this" version of Lol and I honestly miss the older version. No offense but I feel like this game become more and more like a mobile game. Game are over in less than 10 min, structure are really weak, it's very snowbally, you can't come back, too much damage. It has lost a lot of appeal to me. I doubt would have ever started to play the game if it was released in to current state. I can't tell which season was the best but I believe anything before you introduced those new items and runes, season 5 maybe? Thanks.

63 Comments

RatpieJun 9, 201834 votes

All you would have to do to bring it into more sanity is to revert the Runes reforged. That would fix a lot of problems. Then some item and champ tweaking ocudl bring it back. But yes, I would take season 5 back in a heartbeat.

EDIT--> But keep the ARAM changes. ARAM is actually feeling really good right now. I feel like as long as your team uses their rerolls smartly for team comps there is a lot less chance of getting curbstomped with nothing you can do.

Leto GTJun 9, 20185 votes

Yep I've to say aram is pretty good at the moment.

I wish we could also play the champion before they got reworked, especially urgot and malza that I really liked.

Wert the WackyJun 9, 20182 votes

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Yep I've to say aram is pretty good at the moment.

I wish we could also play the champion before they got reworked, especially urgot and malza that I really liked.

Yorick

Leto GTJun 10, 20182 votes

O yeah Yorick !!! Remember Graves Leona botlane !

Livin like RivenJun 10, 20185 votes

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O yeah Yorick !!! Remember botlane !

Remember when Graves Annie was one of the only bot lanes that could 100-0 you if you weren't careful? Instead of LITERALLY EVERYONE 100-0ing you if you eat one CC?

Wert the WackyJun 10, 20181 votes

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O yeah Yorick !!! Remember botlane !

It’s still fucking broken if they both know what they’re doing.

A P ÉJun 9, 20181 votes

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All you would have to do to bring it into more sanity is to revert the Runes reforged. That would fix a lot of problems. Then some item and champ tweaking ocudl bring it back. But yes, I would take season 5 back in a heartbeat.

EDIT--> But keep the ARAM changes. ARAM is actually feeling really good right now. I feel like as long as your team uses their rerolls smartly for team comps there is a lot less chance of getting curbstomped with nothing you can do.

same. it would have to be season 4/5 for me

Warlord RhinarkJun 11, 20181 votes

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All you would have to do to bring it into more sanity is to revert the Runes reforged. That would fix a lot of problems. Then some item and champ tweaking ocudl bring it back. But yes, I would take season 5 back in a heartbeat.

EDIT--> But keep the ARAM changes. ARAM is actually feeling really good right now. I feel like as long as your team uses their rerolls smartly for team comps there is a lot less chance of getting curbstomped with nothing you can do.

I miss my Warmog's though.

SquishieJun 9, 20188 votes

There is a private server that run's a patch in season 4 called league of memories, look it up.

NenthosJun 10, 20181 votes

Im a bit worried that all the recent notice will affect the progress of it.

Jesus is SaviorJun 10, 20182 votes

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Im a bit worried that all the recent notice will affect the progress of it.

I just looked it up and it looks super broken. Almost nothing is implemented.

Elkington VIJun 10, 20186 votes

It would be near pointless without Dominion and the old 3v3 map.

Drago326Jun 10, 20186 votes

A legacy server would literally bring life back to the game. We could go back to S5, and I'll take my old Swain back please! :D

Frontline FuryJun 10, 20184 votes

Look up league of memories.

Wood Tier IVJun 11, 20181 votes

More like "Team of memories" There's only 4 champions that work.

DW DianaJun 9, 20183 votes

They already said no....

Lord Phazanor Jun 9, 201823 votes

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They already said no....

Like they said Dynamic Queue was staying.

KairoptraJun 9, 20182 votes

Apples and oranges

We looked at doing this recently for a series of internal playtests, because we wanted to experience first-hand whether things like pacing or counterplay felt very different a few years ago. Unfortunately, we weren’t able to easily get the older builds running because so much of the game content and code has changed. We can’t just pull in old data and expect the current game engine to play nice with it all. We could almost certainly make it work if we had a bunch of smart engineers working to make it happen, but then those engineers would not be working on other features that might be more valuable to you guys in the long run. Likewise, we could have designers create versions of existing champs that tried to mimic the old data (Season Two abilities, items, tuning, etc.) but that’s a mountain of work for something that might only be fun for a few games or so. In other words, the opportunity cost of that work is probably pretty expensive. So philosophically, we aren’t opposed to playing an older version of LoL, and it might be fun for a short period of time (because we might very well discover that the reasons we made all of the Season Three, Four, and Five changes still exist), but there is a good chance it’s not worth the development effort that it would take.

Madsin25Jun 9, 201818 votes

Bro..this kind of bullshit is exactly what the developers of runescape said about oldschool.

Oldschool has basically closed down the main game now. It was a MASSIVE success.

KairoptraJun 9, 20182 votes

Once again, apples and oranges. At the end of the day, LoL isn't Runescape. The regular game, in spite of all the complaints, is still unbelievably successful. Runescape alienated players by removing entire areas of the game; that'd be like if Riot made SR 4v4 and removed jungle monsters, smite, and jungle items. Thus far, Riot has only made certain roles better or worse. Whether certain roles are unplayable is a matter of opinion, rather than something that was factually removed the game.

Besides, you're missing the point; it's too much effort that could be put towards doing stuff for the modern game which, as I said, is still insanely successful. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I that probably sounds idiotic from the way people are talking about the game, but think about it from a business perspective: Why would they unnecessarily spend major amounts of time and money on bringing back old League (which might not even be as good as people seem to remember, plus you have to factor in all the newbies who would probably either love it, hate it, or be indifferent) when the game they have is already making them plenty? Why not invest all that money into increasing and insuring that success? It makes no logistical sense to take such a big gamble.

Leto GTJun 10, 201814 votes

Pretty sure somebody said the same thing for Runescape. Sadly, once the players were gone, they didn't manage to bring to players back. Besides, LoL right now is nothing like it was before. So in terms of change, it has changed to me as much as if they removed SR 4v4 and removed jungle monsters, smite, and jungle items. to you. I see you're playing since s7, so you can't understand how much the game has changed to us, nor have any idea how its depth got diminished in the last years.

KairoptraJun 10, 20182 votes

Even you think it’s changed too much for you to appreciate it (there’s no way I could ever change your mind on that), the fact remains that it makes no sense for them to introduce a classic mode when the modern version is doing so well.

Also, I’ve been playing since season 6, but only started playing Ranked in season 7 (not that that increases my credibility, I just added that in for clarification). That said, you are being incredibly general with your complaints. I’m legitimately curious as to what it is you miss.

NenthosJun 10, 201810 votes

If you played only since season 6 you clearly have no idea what your talking about and come off as ignorant. Not sure why you act like you know so much of the game when you havn't played a large component of what got people into it in the first place. Invalid reply, move on from this one lurkers.

DeerGreenwoodJun 10, 20186 votes

Before Season 6, damage wasn't overtuned as **** and teamfights went on longer than 10 seconds. Since you only started playing in Season 6, you don't know what it's like to have intuitive trading, unique outplays, and strategic teamfighting.

KairoptraJun 10, 20181 votes

You’re ignoring half my argument. My point that it makes next to no sense from a business perspective has gone unchallenged. If you want to call my argument irrelevant, you're actually going to have to address the whole argument.

That said, I can never, no matter what I say, convince you to grant me the credibility I deserve. You have refused me respect and forethought or at least the benefit of the doubt that I wasn’t stupid enough to enter this argument without having done my homework way before I even found this post. Do you really think that with all the talk of “the good old days”, I wouldn’t have researched its history? Do you honestly believe that, with the sheer amount of comparisons there are between LoL and Runescape, my interest wouldn’t have piqued enough to learn about it? However, if my credibility hinges on whether I was there at the time, I will gladly concede this part of my argument.

AirKingNeoJun 10, 20182 votes

and Riot alienates players by keeping the same champions viable, promoting failed designs like Kennen and Azir, and general imbalance in general.

Bruisers waited 4 months for a keystone, only to get something that sucks.

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20183 votes

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and Riot alienates players by keeping the same champions viable, promoting failed designs like Kennen and Azir, and general imbalance in general.

Bruisers waited 4 months for a keystone, only to get something that sucks.

"something that sucks" sure buddy if you say so

AirKingNeoJun 10, 20181 votes

3 seconds duration is garbage.

Half the bruisers can't use it effectively because Conqueror works best on people with high base damage that scales with level, instead of people with AD scaling.

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20183 votes

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3 seconds duration is garbage.

Half the bruisers can't use it effectively because Conqueror works best on people with high base damage that scales with level, instead of people with AD scaling.

in other words it's good on the champions it's supposed to be good at, sorry your pantheon type champions cannot use conqueror as effectively as someone like Jax or other bruisers

GayFluffyUnicornJun 10, 20182 votes

Wat. It is NOT good on those it is supposed to be good at. There are like three champions who can use it and the rest still pretty much has no keystone. But why bring back fervor that worked on the entire fighter class well with no issues when you can ruin the game instead. Oh it wasn't "exciting" according to riot and all the other 20 buzzwords riot nudges into the playerbase consciousness. But janna giving a free bf sword by pressing E is definitely exciting. Aslo don't forget the armor pen that is missing from the tree. Conq is fervor with 13% more penetration that scales with your own dmg and half the AD. Great keystone that took half a year to make. 3 sec duration and 4 seconds before you can use it. It isn't even good on someone like jax because he still has no keystone in a teamfight effectively.

Lord Phazanor Jun 10, 20182 votes

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Once again, apples and oranges. At the end of the day, LoL isn't Runescape. The regular game, in spite of all the complaints, is still unbelievably successful. Runescape alienated players by removing entire areas of the game; that'd be like if Riot made SR 4v4 and removed jungle monsters, smite, and jungle items. Thus far, Riot has only made certain roles better or worse. Whether certain roles are unplayable is a matter of opinion, rather than something that was factually removed the game.

Besides, you're missing the point; it's too much effort that could be put towards doing stuff for the modern game which, as I said, is still insanely successful. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I that probably sounds idiotic from the way people are talking about the game, but think about it from a business perspective: Why would they unnecessarily spend major amounts of time and money on bringing back old League (which might not even be as good as people seem to remember, plus you have to factor in all the newbies who would probably either love it, hate it, or be indifferent) when the game they have is already making them plenty? Why not invest all that money into increasing and insuring that success? It makes no logistical sense to take such a big gamble.

"Apples and oranges", you keep using those words, but I don't think they mean what you think they mean. Comparing a game that released an Old School mode to a game that won't do it but whose community wants it to happen isn't "Apples and oranges".

KairoptraJun 10, 20181 votes

I used it to say that it was easy to bring back solo queue because they already had the code, but it would be huge investment to have to reconstruct the old version of the game.

The second time I used it to say that Oldschool Runescape’s outshining of the modern version would be different than if Riot made a legacy server because, unlike Runescape, LoL is still wildly successful. A legacy version probably wouldn’t outshine the current because of the amount of newer players and the fact that the current game already has so many people who are willing to play it.

Mokiller5Jun 10, 20182 votes

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Runescape alienated players by removing entire areas of the game;

So basically how rioto has done with Dominion, URF, Old Runes and Masteries, the list goes on and on my friend... Pretty sure these were entire areas of the game that people enjoyed playing.

KairoptraJun 10, 20183 votes

Dominion utterly flopped. There was no point in keeping it around.

URF was always meant to be temporary. Besides, it literally lost them players.

Old runes and masteries were uninteresting and incredibly flawed and were changed on a regular basis. Not to mention you had to constantly grind for runes.

Runescape destroyed specific areas that garnered their own individual group of people, which made up large portions of the player base.

LoL is still greatly successful in spite of removing all these things and suffered minimal losses.

Leto GTJun 10, 20185 votes

because we might very well discover that the reasons we made all of the Season Three, Four, and Five changes still exist

Discover? Might discover? Sounds like they've no idea how was the game few years ago. I don't understand how that's even possible since it's their job.

Lord Phazanor Jun 10, 20181 votes

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Apples and oranges We can’t just pull in old data and expect the current game engine to play nice with it all. We could almost certainly make it work if we had a bunch of smart engineers working to make it happen, but then those engineers would not be working on other features that might be more valuable to you guys in the long run. Likewise, we could have designers create versions of existing champs that tried to mimic the old data (Season Two abilities, items, tuning, etc.) but that’s a mountain of work for something that might only be fun for a few games or so. In other words, the opportunity cost of that work is probably pretty expensive. So philosophically, we aren’t opposed to playing an older version of LoL, and it might be fun for a short period of time (because we might very well discover that the reasons we made all of the Season Three, Four, and Five changes still exist), but there is a good chance it’s not worth the development effort that it would take.

They specifically said that they wouldn't remove Dynamic Queue and they removed it in the end. Riot is slow, but not dumb beyond repair. Give them enough time and they'll change their mind ^^

KairoptraJun 10, 20181 votes

I used “apples and oranges” to say that it was easy to bring back solo queue because they already had the code, but it would be huge investment to have to reconstruct the old version of the game.

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20181 votes

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Like they said Dynamic Queue was staying.

it's still there, and there would be no reason whatsoever to go back to an older version of the client that is full of bugs and will not even be supported so it'll just end up like dominion. You would literally get no new champions or items or anything on a legacy server since otherwise it would defeat the entire purpose of it... or maybe they should do it so people stop having this flawed mentality that somehow previous seasons were any better than what we have now. People have bitched and complained about every single season in the game. This is literally starting to become like the Zelda franchise where (excluding BotW) the new game is terrible up until another game it's released and then it suddenly becomes the "underrated/unappreciated/hidden gem/whatever" while the new one becomes the next "horrible/terrible/pointless/repetitive/whatever" game

Imperial JapanJun 9, 20183 votes

https://discord.gg/2XTp6aT Discord link to one

Leto GTJun 9, 20181 votes

Is this legit?

Imperial JapanJul 13, 20181 votes

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Is this legit?

idk

LatetotheRaceJun 10, 20183 votes

I think season 5 is about right honestly. That was the season I played Galio tank top, and ACTUALLY SACRIFICED SOMETHING. I had a tough time laning, and in exchange I had a solid late game but was still very team reliant. Nowadays you can have all 3 without any real trade-offs.

KICK OUT AT 2Jun 10, 20182 votes

I've thought about this for a while. It's about that time in league's life where change just got out of hand. It happened to runescape, it happened to WoW, it happened to LoL. I think going back to a patch in early season 3 would be the way to go. Before all the reworks and cancer champs and after the broken mechanics like sunfire stacking and dodge. If Riot doesn't do this, a third party will.

League of memories is cool but it's preseason 5, not different enough from current league.

RaveolutionJun 10, 20182 votes

Well, it worked for RuneScape. Why not for League.

honzakiecJun 10, 20182 votes

Legacy server with all champions before rework. I see that queue. Ryze

Mokiller5Jun 10, 20182 votes

This,..... This is what we need rioto, or at the very least give us a rotating game mode called "Worlds/MSI Patch Mode" where we players can get to decide which worlds patch we would like to play on, I personally prefer season 3 worlds patch or season 5 MSI cinderhulk patch.

man I miss the season 5 cinderhulk patch... each teamfight lasted up to 1 minute, tanks were damage sponges and not damage dealers, adcs did not assassinate and assassins were not useless.

JRobin31Jun 11, 20182 votes

Well shit. I wasn't going to be the one to suggest it. I was talking with friends and one of them said the next logical step was for RIOT to release 'Classic League' or 'Vanilla League'. I think it's because there is so much dissatisfaction with the 'change for change sake' design philosophy. I think players are getting sick of it and they just want to play the game they remember enjoying. I don't know how many players play on PBE, but I imagine if players, in general, enjoyed change, they would be on the PBE all the time.

Would I play on the Legacy server? I'm not sure how I feel about there being two different servers. I have mixed feelings about it. I think others have suggested having a legacy game mode: no newer champions, old items, etc. I would be interested in that. That could be just the thing to take the edge off all of this constant 'change for change sake' routine.

Don't like the latest patch? Play the legacy game mode! I like it. Anyone think that's a bad idea?

ModCaptainMårvelousJun 10, 20181 votes

I think they wanted to do it for a RGM or something of the sort. IIRC, the problem is that old league doesn't exist. It was an old Ask Riot but they would have to completely recreate old league with stuff that doesn't exist or whatever. Beleve it if you want or not, but I'll have to go through -every- old Ask Riot to find it.

Leto GTJun 10, 20182 votes

It's strange to me that they didn't store all the iterations of the game.You may legit need to compare/benchmark certain aspects. I'm not going to say they're lying but it's strange that they actually deleted all that. As an archivist, don't you feel that it's strange aswell?

FurriesAreHotJun 11, 20181 votes

As the game slowly changed the old stuff was slowly removed, as there is no need to save it. Plus, we have much different technology that’s just wouldn’t be compatible with the old code.