Vi's ultimate slightly over powered?

Sairentosutoka··4 votes·577 views

Am i the only one that thinks this im fine with her like chasing you down and not being able to be stopped and all but she shouldnt be untargetable. shes literaly the only person that can transfer agro without having to leave.

meaning she can tower dive with q oh no im 1/2 hp just press my ult now the other dude has turret agro and i didnt have to leave at all..

i feel that is just slightly to strong to be able to do should totaly be targetable while in ult just not interuptable.

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Narasimha3 votes

She doesn't go untargetable at all. Are you thinking of Fiora? The only thing Vi gets is immunity to CC while dashing.

Sairentosutoka1 votes

then it must be a bug go try vi dive someone with your teamate have turret agro first then just use your ultimate you lose agro on anything when you use it. cant even count the amount of times iv playing vi tanked turret be at like 300 hp just ult on to someone nearby and woosh the agro goes onto the next person.

Sozan52 votes

I do not believe that Vi's ultimate actually makes her untargetable. You can even kill her to stop it.

That doesn't mean her ultimate is okay. It's a powerful targeted ability that applies Knockup (as far as I know it's the 2nd hardest CC in game) and cannot be stopped nor dodged. IMO they should nerf it's range heavily (but leave the chasing ability of ultimate as it is), so that she have to put herself in danger in order to start casting it (she have the option to do that).

Right now it's range is a whoppin 800 (for comparison Jarvan ultimate is 650), which is way too high. I would be glad if they nerfed it to like 400, and gave her some buffs to compensate (like higher range on Q). Would create a way better counterplay options for the target of the ultimate, because right now she can ult from really high distance.

Kira Onime1 votes

That doesn't mean her ultimate is okay. It's a powerful targeted ability that applies Knockup (as far as I know it's the 2nd hardest CC in game) and cannot be stopped nor dodged. IMO they should nerf it's range heavily (but leave the chasing ability of ultimate as it is), so that she have to put herself in danger in order to start casting it (she have the option to do that).

A shut down Vi diving your carry is a dead Vi. If your carry is close enough to get ulted by Vi, your carry was out of position.

She's also already putting herself in danger by ulting since she has no self reliable escape after ulting.

Sozan51 votes

Let's stop pretending she's an assassin. She's a tanky fighter - champs like her usually don't have reliable escape and their abilities aren't as reliable as unstoppable, targeted knockup that follows you nearly forever.

Fighters that don't have escape abilities after they used their initation tool (some don't have any even if they don't use the initation tool): Aatrox, Darius, Garen, Gnar, Hecarim, Irelia, Jax, Nasus, Olaf, Poppy, Shyvana, Sion, Skarner, Trundle, Udyr, Warwick, Xin Zhao, Yorick, Maokai, Malphite, Amumu, Rammus, Sejuani, Shen, Zac.

This is not a problem for tanky fighters such as herself, since she is supposed to stay in the fight, not just assassinate and run away. Also, you are saying that if carry is in 1525 range of Vi then he's out of position (that's Q and R there, of course Vi can also use flash, but adc can do that too, so I will ignore it)? And once you are in that range - there is very little you can do, except getting hit with it and praying that her team will not follow immidiately, giving you chance of using your escape spell (be it flash or champion skill) after the knockup ends. And no, you cannot remove knockup in any way possible (QSS, Mikael and Cleanse - none of it removes it).

Comparing it to other similar spells clearly makes it the most universal choice, also just being mostly superior to Jarvan ultimate. Malphite have more range and bigger AoE, but it's a skillshot and can be dodged (usually with a use of summoner spell or champion spell, as malphite is rather fast during his ultimate). Jarvan on the other hand have less range, hits only 1 person and doesn't chase you. That means if you use flash before he hits you - you will most likely end up outside of the walls (you still take damage though). Also, even though it is strictly a single target spell it only deals +10% bonus AD more damage than Vi's ultimate. And Jarvan ultimate doesn't apply any CC whatsoever.

Of course, there are situations where Malphite or even Jarvan ultimate will suit the job better - there is no denying that. But Vi's ultimate is going to be the best choice in most of situations, while very rarely being the worst choice.

As it is right now, Vi's ultimate provides very little counterplay to enemy team. IMO it should either have it's range nerfed (as stated before, with compensation to something like Q range) or give it a slight channel time before she starts chasing, in which she can be interrupted (let's say 0,75-1s).

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Holy shit, you can add champ portraits on boards. Vi

Kira Onime1 votes

Seems like you got outplayed.

Sairentosutoka1 votes

sadly not the case its bug since everyone says shes targetable

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

She is targetable and can be damaged all you want during her Ult. You just can't knock her out of it through CC. You can however use abilities that make you untargetable, and her ult will just fizzle out and go on CD (such as Zhonya's or Fizz trollpole).

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