Meddler, Lets talk about being a Tank and Giving Shyvana a proper Utility

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*Meddler these were your words " Tanks go straight into a fight, have natural survivability, sustained damage patterns, team utility/CC and are usually not attractive targets to try and take down if you've got any better options. "

"A tank that's able to remove a target from the fight for a period of time, without killing them or setting them up to be killed (so not a pick tank like Nautilus or Skarner) is something I'd agree's got potential as a concept (and is one of the options we've talked about exploring for a future tank at some point). Would be hesitant about putting that sort of effect on a kit with high mobility though - sort of thing that decides fights so can't be too accessible/reliable. "*

Shyvana DOES NOT have utility/CC. Her ult shouldn't even be considered as "CC" because it just pushes the enemy lightly, not only that, her ult flight can easily be canceled these days. I have yet to hear a Dragon kit idea that you would give for Shyvana but I'm sure it's not a priority at this point since other champions are in need of reworks but would like for you guys to focus on her Dragon form kit for a change, I'm highly disappointed that Mega Gnar is more fearsome than Shyvana turning into a dragon who isn't as fearsome as Mega Gnar due to the fact that you came up for him an insane amount of Utility/CC.

But moving on from the dragon kit, I would like to suggest you to give Shyvana a Utility similar to Udyrs FOR NOW till you guys come up with a dragon kit (As you can see, Udyr has an INSANE amount of mobility with a stun) Why? because lately all these champions that you guys have made are capable to push shyvana away with a simple reduce movement speed or a tiny CC. In other words, Shyvana CAN'T catch up unlike udyr. You're making all these new champions have a special utility/mobility to a point where shyvana can't fully support her team since its common knowledge that the enemy ignores tanks and aims for the weakest link in the team (Mages/Assassins/ADC) which is tough to protect them cuz again the kind of CC/Utility you gave to these new champions that Shyvana can't catch up but not only the new ones, even the old ones have their own utility/CC like Udyr.

Lets Review Udyr's stun skill " STANCE ACTIVATION: For a short duration, Udyr gains increased movement speed, ignores unit collision, and performs a short dash towards enemy champions he stuns with his attacks. PERSISTENT EFFECT: Udyr's basic attacks Stun icon stun the target for 1 second. This effect cannot occur on the same target more than once every few seconds. "

My suggestion was to give Shyvana's Q a stun with the added persistent effect so people won't complain about the reduce cooldown and attack speed advantage. Then when Shyvana turns into a dragon, her Q will stun not only one target but anyone who's in front of her. I feel like her Q has that potential to do a specific utility role, when she activates her Q it can notify the enemy that she's ready to stun or attack, with this it will be more useful in laning, Team fights AND ganking as a jungler.

Also it's common knowledge in rank for people to ignore Shyvana in team fights if shes being played as a tank, not only that people understand that it's best to walk around shyvana since her W is another common sense to move away from. It's like saying Shyvana is not fearsome or a threat to the enemy anymore but more of a giant rock being in the way of things who isn't doing much but poking people's backs.

11 Comments

DJ Siamak3 votes

She does a lot of AoE damage and really doesn't need CC.

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She does a lot of AoE damage and really doesn't need CC.

This is what I hate about this community, you guys always talk about AoE damage and not about a proper utility. YES SHE DOES do damage but she CAN'T STICK to a target. She can't do any AoE damage if her kit revolves on her being melee form, I just don't understand WHY some people around here always mentions her "AoE" when this Shyvana can't ever catch or catch up to a target. Haven't you noticed the insane mobility/utility that has been coming out? I've seen those champions being used so very much now.

DJ Siamak1 votes

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This is what I hate about this community, you guys always talk about AoE damage and not about a proper utility. YES SHE DOES do damage but she CAN'T STICK to a target. She can't do any AoE damage if her kit revolves on her being melee form, I just don't understand WHY some people around here always mentions her "AoE" when this Shyvana can't ever catch or catch up to a target. Haven't you noticed the insane mobility/utility that has been coming out? I've seen those champions being used so very much now.

She doesn't need to have both utility and massive damage.

You are trying to make her into something she shouldn't be. Not only are you trying to completely remove a weakness with a massive strength, you are not weakening her strengths when you do it. She would be ridiculously broken if you gave her an AoE stun.

SnackieCakes2 votes

I main Shyvana and think she's pretty great. While it would be wonderful for her to have some CC, I think she'd have to pay for that CC in other ways. As it stands, Shyv can actually do a lot of damage - and even more so in her dragon form, which does give a lot of AOE damage.

She's also great in the jungle and counterjungling, good with split pushing, and taking objectives. So she has a lot of strengths that aren't really tied up in winning team fights easily. And I think that's ok. Not every champion needs to be deathball effective.

Cale0171 votes

I'd be pretty okay with my girl getting a stun on her Q.

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I'd be pretty okay with my girl getting a stun on her Q.

Thank You (:

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Shyvana's dragon form should have his own unique kit. Currently it has cheap upgrades out of which two don't even add anything useful (AoE cleave rarely hits more than 1 player, firetrail only helps gainst enemies who are chasing you - nothing for you to duel or chase by yourself)

FiraBurn3 votes

No just no

FiraBurn1 votes

No no riot should not care about this champion she already had a spotlight with being over use back when top was just rene/shyv/trundle. like the other two maybe not rene they time had come and it's time for a new top lane meta with more choices. You shyv fan boy need to know riot want to lead this game to another direction that don't consist of boring no flashy play shyv in it. There are a lot of champion that hardly see play now because it just not what riot want it's there game and they keep it fresh for us to play. SO STOP ASKING FOR RIOT TO GIVE SHYV BUFF OR SOME CHAPPY CC LEARN TO PLAY COOLER AND LESS BORING CHAMPS.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Shyvana only needs 2 things to push her over the edge:

change passive armor to flat damage reduction. give her E a slow.

her damage output and tankiness are amazing if you can actually stick to your targets.

FiraBurn1 votes

She is a tank that do damage and no skills to play why would they give her a slow. If they do they maybe have to turn her e to a skill shot that don't passes minions. Otherwise it be a skarner slow with extra benefits.

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