No nerf to graves or quinn??? Also, list of champions to ban on patch 8.14

If enemy teams gets both of these champions [ ], just dodge. It's an auto lose if they're even remotely competent; both champion outscale every other champion in the game including immobile hyper carries and are great at every other stage in the game.

Champions to ban on 8.14 Didn't get nerfed Still over buffed, didn't get nerfed No nerfs No nerfs No nerfs

Comments: Notice how most champs listed are either junglers are champions with combos that can't be outplayed; these two characteristics often are the same, and to add salt to the wound, riot has also decided that these junglers not only need to be gods in the early game, but also in the late game (part of the reason traditional immobile marksman don't feel very strong, they're literally outscaled by champions like quinn are graves... whom are also stronger than them from level 2 onwards. Great design riot!).

Optional champions to ban on 8.14 If this champ is banned, you may play a marksman bot lane. Playing a marksman bot lane and not getting run over is fun every once in awhile. Interactive lanes are fun Playing against a support with counter play is fun 1v1's are fun This ban isn't critical because quinn steam rolls him, but his kit is very similar to quinns in the amount of bullshit; he has very little counterplay, and it's nearly impossible to fuck up his combo... much like quinn.

Comments: these bans will make the game more fun, but not necessarily increase your chance to win. Many of these champions are strong, but unlike the champions listed in the must ban category they tend to not be gods at all stages of the game.

Final comments: the reason the meta has turned to shit is because riot has erroneously turned to the policy of buffing/nerfing base stats. Buffing/nerfing base stats should be a last resort always. If riot fucks up base stats, then there is literally nothing the player base can do; you can't outplay base stats. You can, however, outplay abilities, and I hope riot in the future makes changes solely to abilities, not make a marksman like graves have more hp than almost all bruisers..... I also hope that in the future they give good players the chance to test out these changes in PBE, because obviously either riot intends to create 5 broken champs for 3+ patches or the PBE users suck at finding broken shit. As for the op champions, what sucks about them is that their playstyle is FUCKING BORING AS HELL. I played a few games on Quinn (won every single game with like 15/2 KDA) and had to stop. That champions gameplay is literally the exact same every game; positioning doesn't matter, your abilities aren't complex in the slightest, the champ literally takes zero brain cells to play. Level 2: you auto, press e, auto, press q, auto, then auto until their dead. you repeat this combo until the end of the game. Literally nothing else. That's the gameplay. Oh, what happens after you get ultimate? Oh boy! now after the combo, you also press r, so that you can use the exact same combo on someone else! isn't that fun!!!!!! No, it's not. I never want to play quinn again, that champion just sucks in terms of interesting gameplay.