Twitch nerfs have been announced

Poolparty Sauron··41 votes·2,940 views

A very welcome change imo

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waiting for WoW17 votes

*Potential

And while I feel like they are deserved I wouldn't expect much tbh.

Charlie Loves U2 votes

honestly the only thing they can hit is his scaling. his lane phase has always been absolutely trash even now.

and I welcome the FUCK out of that. No ADC should scale as hard as he does. He's like an AOE long range hyper carry. granted, its a short window, but still.

He can afford to lose scaling and STILL be the best late game adc by a fair amount.

Flashes2 votes

Vayne and Draven however, can defeat him in a 1v1, so it depends on the playstyle. If the enemy team has a Twitch, I prefer to simply have the assassin of our team go in and kill him and take one for the team while the rest of us proceed to kill their mage and win.

T4underbolt10 votes

Meanwhile in nerfs for twitch: Damage on E decreased by 10 per ability level. Q detection radius increased by 25 units.

Compensating those "huge" nerfs to power switch we add 20 dmg per ability lvl to R and 100 more range and dmg reduction per pierced target from 10% less per target to 5%.

Im prett sure that is how it will look like. The nerf wont hit any problematic aspects and even end up being too strong.

Hayaishi28 votes

source?

Poolparty Sauron2 votes

Meddlers Gameplay Thoughts

Rezlac4 votes

I think they should remove his reset on his q. It's unnecessary and only exacerbates the issues people have with him (His stealth). Perhaps make him weaker earlier too with a nerf on his lvl 6 ult or even make his w not get as many passive stacks.

FraCro1 votes

realy? tw early game is pain is ass...u have to play so carefully and just focus on farm and avoid ganks. shut him early and tw is basically useless all game till late>super late game. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

LiteUpSketchers1 votes

We shut him down 3 times early but then picks up 2 kills from a gank and he's suddenly unstoppable.

That's how it usually goes.

FraCro1 votes

u stoped him from farm ? i think not,u let him farm up back

Paladin 0f Life3 votes

ABOUT FIDFDJK TIME

Need Gold 4 Tent3 votes

Inb4 -3 AD lul

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

I imagine something along the lines of the last nerf he's gotten +10 mana on W.

RankOneUganda1 votes

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Inb4 -3 AD lul

thats exactly what they are going to do.

placebo nerfs. every time for the past two years. they placebo nerf shit. and when its out of meta. they buff it by giving them 3-4 ability BUFFS.

Azadethe3 votes

The only nerf Twitch needs: If he gets hit in Camouflage, pop him out of it.

Enough of this "I can be the only champ with the "Camouflage" status who doesn't pop out of it unless attacking or if someone runs up right next to me....

Eve pops out of stealth on damage.

It's super annoying that Twitch can take a Karma's Ult + Q to half health while in Camouflage, and still get away because you can't catch up in time to find which way he went from where you saw his shadow.

It's also crazy that he can engage his Camouflage WHILE IN COMBAT. Afaik, no other champ can engage Camouflage specifically in combat. Some can STEALTH or brief invisibility (Kha, Vayne, But I can't think of one who can be taking a beating, and still run away). I mean.... Twitch is the ONE adc Evelynn can't catch if he's good. He can just go invis when she engages and she has no counterplay to find him, especially if he has a Youmuu's + adc items for much faster in combat move speed.

Serika Zero1 votes

you also can't catch tristana, knockback ult + jump you also can't catch vayne, invisibility, mobility and knock back you also can't catch ezreal if he is good enough kalista will hop forever xayah is also a problem.

so, eve has 'issues' with other adcs as well. just twich is fucking disgusting with lower stealth radius than eve and he is fucking ranged.

FraCro1 votes

u forgot lucian,ash,sivir. lucian-E + R ash-(after 6) R+W+Q sivir-E+R+Q So basicaly if u are eve u just farm to 6 and dont try to go bot

Azadethe1 votes

Lucian and Ashe are SUPER EASY if you have the right builds, which are even more handy now with the new runes.

I've erased 19 kill Lucians by simply building in a Frozen heart (can't boost a Lord Dominik's, huge defense, cdr, works very well on an Eve).

Ashe is tougher..... just wait for her Q to be on cooldown. You can soak her normal auto attacks, but not her Q.

Azadethe1 votes

Meh I can kill all those pretty easy.

Tristana: build some armor and try to take 80% before she jumps away, but don't waste your charm yet. If she rocket jumps, Allure her and use your ult backwards to follow her for the last 20%, and your Q's will charm and kill her. Don't use if you can't account for her team. it's risky but totally doable.

Vayne can be a pain if you don't get your charm setup, but if you can manage to get her to 20% before she starts R stealthing, you can almost guarantee a blind Eve ult killing her. If your charm is down, just get out.

Ezreal is super easy. You can do your regular combo from behind and he'll burn his E badly in every situation, either toward you, or at least in range. He pops like a grape especially if you have minions to play with, since a homed in Q will aim Ez, but he has to shoot through them. His only problem is sometimes his burst is dangerous, so be near a wall you can R over and try to kill him at the same time so that he doesn't get a kill for a kill.

Kalista: use your E to charm her, and start moving back using Q. if she follows, R out if she gets you under around 40%. If you have time, you can flash in and finish her off if your charm damage put her low enough. The goal is to put yourself at a distance to get out if you need to.

Xayah is an Eve feeder. Eve's Allure duration to proc is longer than Xayah's Ult. Just charm her into an ult, and then avoid her ult, and then charm > punish her after.

Even Twitch is easy if he doesn't camouflage. If he does, he literally has a perfect escape no other stealther has (Even Shaco has greater camouflage counterplay than Twitch).

Serika Zero1 votes

teach me. Do you have any videos or so i can watch for eve?

like' i've been trying to learn how to use her but: xayas can dodge my Q that charms her via ult and then snares kalista will botrk me and then hop around like a bitch (i always go red smite) ezreal is very annoying due to his kiting vayne, can condemn me if i try to E her and tumble out of Q if i try to charm her, its very annoying do deal with. And even in the aftermath of me being able to charm her, if she gets a qss i'm fucked. Ofc, she won't have qss in early game, but i still have a difficult time charming this bitch and tristana's ult is a bit more potent than her jump away. Its like vayne's condemn on steroids while having a larger cooldown

where did you learn how to play eve? and yes. When shaco comes to gank, you see smoke and even a very temporary blue shadow of his twich? nothing, fml

Azadethe1 votes

As I've said.... your window to charm is 4 seconds. Xayah's ult is 2. bait her into using it. Then charm her after sidestepping.

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

Rengar?

xJLx MCHammer2 votes

POTENTIAL

I can't recall the last time an ADC was nerfed outside of Cait...

LethalTempo Jhin1 votes

Xayah

Jhin Varus

Potchikir2 votes

ezreal tristana xayah vayne are all better than twitch

LankPants2 votes

I hope they use the sledgehammer approach to nerfing. Twitch has been utterly cancer for so long with so little done about him that I wouldn't care if they left him in an unplayable state for an extended period of time.

He should have been dealt with long ago, but at this point I just want to see him left at a 35% win rate for all of S8. This cancer champion needs to be burned.

kasfas2 votes

-5ad

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I feel like Twitch will always be a pain in the ass. At least nerf his lane phase so we can beat the rat before it matters.

FOR JUSTICE3 votes

*plays against twich after he is "nerfed", is calmly with team fighting baron, 4 members of enemy team dead*

Twitch SEWER SKEWERS FOR EVERYONE!!!!

announcer: ENEMY PENTAKILL! ACE! the enemy team has slain the baron!

Dasdi961 votes

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*plays against twich after he is "nerfed", is calmly with team fighting baron, 4 members of enemy team dead*

Twitch SEWER SKEWERS FOR EVERYONE!!!!

announcer: ENEMY PENTAKILL! ACE! the enemy team has slain the baron!

I remember this ranked game last season where we kiiled all the enemy but twitch and we had 4 alive (except me). Our team was doing elder drake, then twitch apprared out of nowhere and melted all my team in 1 second.

FOR JUSTICE6 votes

honestly with twitch the most cancerous part of his kit is the camo, cause its not like other ADC's where I can at least see the enemy before my face gets melted, or even like teemo where they have to plan that shit like 2 1/2 years ahead

MrHaZeYo4 votes

He's basically a ranged Rengo lol.

Faceroll Tactics6 votes

Twitch doesn’t calmly warn you that he’s coming for you when he goes stealthed

“Let’s make a slealthy assassin that tells you he’s about to pounce on you because muh counterplay”

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Ignoring how long Rengar's been in the game and how long Riot's been trying to balance that ult.

Azadethe1 votes

I don't care about when he stealths to engage. I care about when he Stealths to get AWAY. He's the only Camouflage status I can think of that can take damage while in stealth and still stay invisible.

cFlame1 votes

Well what's his winrate as adc?

Kloqdq1 votes

I hope he gets a small scale gameplay update to focus his kit better. Too general and good at too many things. Do we want him to be a poison marksman? A assassin marksman? A teamfighting marksman?

What is Twitch's intended niche, and what are the strengths and weaknesses he brings to that niche. That is what Twitch needs most at the moment. A nerf will just have others replace him until Riot rebuffs him or Twitch finds something to abuse.

Flashes1 votes

His niche is a lategame shrek

Kloqdq1 votes

KogMaw

Already taken.

Feathermane1 votes

Now all we need is a Vlad/Trist/Vayne/Ez gutting and season 8 is off to a good start.

Ebonbolt1 votes

Vayne is SO broken man

FraCro1 votes

vayne is shit...if she doesn't get kills early i always win agaisnt her whit lucian,ashe,cait.

Raoul1 votes

Whats the problem with Vlad? Right now he sits on a perfect 50% Winrate...

FireDrizzle1 votes

And it only took them a year. One juggernaut is decent this patch Yorick , I expect the nerf hammer to come down hard https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ElegantFreeIguana-max-1mb.gif

Poolparty Sauron1 votes

Chogath depends on the lvl of idiocy needed to play said champion

FireDrizzle1 votes

Whats the cho gath icon got to do with anything? I assume you meant juggernauts are nerfed for being brainless, is that right? Darius is not brainless except laning vs tanks, but Maokai and Malzahar definately are. Cho'gath is brainless when his R is strong enough to vroom vroom in and oneshot with item 3193 for _damage _ and item 3800 item 3742 for movespeed but otherwise not really as he has 2 skill shots that are very dodgable.

It looks like riot's balance team is silver adc mains that think adcs should win vs juggernauts without half decent kiting. I stopped maining Yorick ages ago because a Vayne statchecked me and my maiden in my wall.

Poolparty Sauron2 votes

what im saying is that Cho is immune to any kind of significant nerfs even thou is unhealthy as all hell and requires little to no brain usage to make work unlike most champions and no an instant cast AOE silence is not something you can dodge but something Cho can miss

FireDrizzle1 votes

Cho is still when he casts w and it has a cast time, it can be dodged. I agree cho is op, but not brainless atm.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

Yeah, and Tristana's too... maybe then I can go back to being the weird one for playing her instead of everyone picking her for everything :(

Trias0001 votes

He gets -1 AD or what?

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