Nerfing Fiora is like a parent hitting its baby when it cries

Joanna JQueen··3 votes·1,525 views

it's not the solution, just because the baby is crying so much doesent mean you gotta hit it, why nerf Fiora if you need to land skill shots and proc vitals? theres a lot of counter-play to fiora:

  1. if she's getting close to you expect her Q to dash to your vital, counter-play: move a direction opposing her dash which results in a poke that does not proc a vital and thus, wont do true damage nor heal fiora

  2. if she's parrying, dont continue your assault: counter-play: let her finish channeling her parry, then either escape if it's 1v1, or get closer to her if it's 2 or more v 1.

  3. if she ult's you

counter-play: you can item 3140 her ult, and you can run away or move to a better position

here's what you dont do:

cry to Riot to nerf, it's pretty petty and pathetic to be honest

who's more toxic than Fiora?

MasterYi Graves Soraka TahmKench , etc....

35 Comments

EvilMerodach5 votes

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why nerf Fiora if you need to land skill shots

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Mhihnj2 votes

Skill shots where? O.o

Joanna JQueen2 votes

i dunno, maybe Q and W? oh yea ur bronze tho lol

Mecha MaIphite4 votes

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oh yea ur bronze tho lol

so even a bronze player can land those "skillshots"

Mhihnj1 votes

lol i never even started my placement matches. i joined in season 5 though.

Mhihnj1 votes

Ok let me explain in more detail. I can consider her w a skill shot, but her Q is an auto target with a range of 400.

Now the range is actually pretty short but can easily proc a vital if the lane opponent moves in to last hit minions, and the vitals are are not that small as well. Also every vital lasts for 15 seconds. A minion wave spawns every 30 seconds. So you are not able to last hit very well unless you are playing with someone like Gnar So she can effectively farm. She has a very good late game, so she should at least have a difficult laning phase.

Fiora is intended to have true damage as most champs that go top have high resistance and are mostly tanks. So i think her Passive should either get a little nerf or turn it into an active.

Procing a vital shouldn't heal Fiora but instead i think if her riposte hits a target, it can give her some health and bonus life steal for 1 or 2 seconds. But it must have decently high mana costs.

Also the removed heal from her passive makes her actually think when to go in, so her Q range can be increased by a little amount so that she doesn't fall behind.

I am fine with the passive but it should have lower %health damage against squishy targets as she can melt a tank as well as a carry in a couple of seconds.

Sasogwa3 votes

Let me recapitulate what your counterplay leads to:

  1. If she comes closer, walk away. Intelligent Fiora = stay in range of Q'ing to proc a vital on you everytime you go for a CS. So basically you choose not to CS.
  2. Build a MR item that costs quite a lot to deny her ult. Useless in lane, comes in handy in mid-late game only.
  3. Do not try to 1v1 her as she will win, even if your champion is specialized in 1v1 and is garbage in other domains, because Fiora. (without mentioning Fiora is actually better than you in other domains than 1v1 in that situation, due to her ult she actually has a presence in teamfights)
  4. Never use a CC as it can get parried and you can get screwed up. Even if this CC is your main source of power. Like as Jax , when you use your counterstrike, you should literally jump/flash away when you're about to stun her because the stun will be countered, you will be stunned.

Thing lots of people need to understand is that Fiora doesn't necessarily have to get nerfed hard on all the stages of the game. Simply nerfing her passive from true damage to physical with possibly some arpen and possibly even higher values would already make her much healthier to play against. At least if you can't really outplay her (unless you're ranged and mobile), you can at least counterbuild a little bit.

Crett3 votes

Fiora's positioning game would be a lot more fair if she didn't have so many tools to throw her opponent's counterplay to the side. Refreshing MS boosts, two slows, a low CD dash and a CC reflector make her REALLY unfun to try to manuever away from if you're someone without dashes

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

Master,Soraka? Is this a joke?

Joanna JQueen2 votes

not when you are in G1, but i guess ur in bronze? so u have different bans

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

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not when you are in G1, but i guess ur in bronze? so u have different bans

Master and bronze? Do you know Soraka changes? You take Lissandra Master no problem.Riot nerfed Tahm Kench also Graves nerfs in PBE.

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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arguing with someone below me is a waste of time, you trolled me enough

Don't cry.Because she is free elo and enough.

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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keep talking bronzie

Keep talking kid.Only G1 and teaches this game to D4 guy.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Even despite your tips, she still remains her high winrate in multiple elos, plus combined with multiple spotlights in the LCS, it's a definite evidence that she needs a nerf-bat at some point.

Let's look at her statistic since you oh so assume she's so easy to beat (all taken by the latest date, which is today of course):

Gold:

Winrate: 51.80% Playrate: 13.11%

Platinum:

Winrate: 50.80% Playrate: 14.56%

Diamond:

Winrate: 50.02% Playrate: 17.41%

Masters+

Winrate: 52.33% Playrate: 22.78%

If Fiora was "soooooooooooooo easy" to beat, she would assumed to be "weak af" by everyone right now, but nope, her playrate still constantly stayed at 50% & playrate never going below 10%.

And also, your tips were nothing in-depth at all, just nothing but a Content page of every book ever. Just your everyday average "if this happens, buy this" or "if you cant do it, just fk it & call out your teammates". Get some sense on how you're receiving 22 downvotes by now.

Joanna JQueen1 votes

~50% win rate is that bad? isnt that healthy? meanwhile other champs have more than 50% win-rates, so what are you trying to say?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Champs at 50% winrate were more likely to be on the radar to be needing a nerf-bat or not, considering on how she still retains quite a good playrate such as 10%. An example would be Graves of W54.8%/P16.7%, where he's already prepped to have his Q nerfed, and a Zed with W51.4%/P17.6% (although I get that it's kinda useless, considering the fact that the Assassin item arrives too late).

Secondly, although this is none of my business nor the topic of this thread, but uhhh, thank god you lost as Quinn top against a Panth. There goes all that "I GOT DIS RANGE HURR DURR DURR" all for nothing. You scared to go melee or something?

Joanna JQueen1 votes

bronzies have interesting opinions, im p5 now :D

alasarcher1 votes

Why did u include Yi and Soraka there o.O. I am gold, last season plat, and noone ever bans/picks Yi or Soraka. Also Mister gold, care to explain this game?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2090578319/231525504?tab=overview

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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alasarcher1 votes

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uhh you are below me so.. i dont have to eplain sh(# to you

How am i bellow u mister troll? We are literally same division now, except u are NA and i am EUW. So u are silver V compared to me.

Mhihnj1 votes

how?

alasarcher1 votes

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how?

EU>NA [slayer-jinx-catface]

Mhihnj1 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Mhihnj1 votes

i am not able to view it so can you tell me what happened?

alasarcher1 votes

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i am not able to view it so can you tell me what happened?

He bought 6 item 3070 on elise after feeding opponent team. Had 30 farm in 25 mins, almost no damage done. Classic trolling,

Torgal1 votes

Babys got counterplay, Fiora not.

Syronosin1 votes

Needing Fiora is a good thing. She can easily shred a full tank with just Black Cleaver. She is extremely mobile, gains a lot of health with only a couple of autos, can dodge your biggest attack, and can shred turrets. You never want to leave someone squishy near her. In the LCS she is heavily played. She can also mass heal her team.

Opportunistic1 votes

Fiora is a toxic champ whether you like it or not. Take out the true damage. I beat a fiora with volibear a while back. It was one of those people who picked up fiora recently so didn't know how to play her well yet. That fiora raged at me soo hard because of my W on volibear. Said I was OP and needed NERFED. Just because there is counter play to a champ doesn't mean that champ isn't broken. If I had been fighting an experienced fiora I would have lost lane 100% guaranteed. As a matter of fact, even if i was playing ryze against an experienced fiora I would most likely lose. A good fiora will always win a 1v1 no matter who the champ she's tangoing with. Why do you think the LCS play her so hard? Look what happens when fiora actually lands one poke on darius in lcs plays, IMMEDIATELY she gets ganked by like the whole fking team because of her potential. That is exactly what you call broken.

Lets not forget TANK FIORA, jesus that's even more broken than normal fiora.

Joanna JQueen1 votes

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Opportunistic1 votes

It's called a smurf account. My main is soulaid

Cowgirl Ed1 votes

most of the time hitting a baby works tho

Ralanr1 votes

Is she getting nerfed? I didn't see anything on surrender@20

Troiann1 votes

Yes let me just build an item meant for full damage carries on a bruiser during laning phase so fiora doesn't do half my HP in true damage as soon as she hits level six. Oh and let me run away while she's hitting me for 15% max HP true damage with a 2 second Q, who also can't be kited because of that bullshit riposte that blocks all CC and reflects it.

Lol master yi more toxic than fiora? At least Yi's weak early game.

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