Nerfing Fiora is like a parent hitting its baby when it cries

Joanna JQueen·2/7/2016, 1:12:59 PM·3 votes·1,525 views

it's not the solution, just because the baby is crying so much doesent mean you gotta hit it, why nerf Fiora if you need to land skill shots and proc vitals? theres a lot of counter-play to fiora:

  1. if she's getting close to you expect her Q to dash to your vital, counter-play: move a direction opposing her dash which results in a poke that does not proc a vital and thus, wont do true damage nor heal fiora

  2. if she's parrying, dont continue your assault: counter-play: let her finish channeling her parry, then either escape if it's 1v1, or get closer to her if it's 2 or more v 1.

  3. if she ult's you

counter-play: you can item 3140 her ult, and you can run away or move to a better position

here's what you dont do:

cry to Riot to nerf, it's pretty petty and pathetic to be honest

who's more toxic than Fiora?

MasterYi Graves Soraka TahmKench , etc....

35 Comments

EvilMerodach2/7/2016, 2:33:47 PM5 votes

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why nerf Fiora if you need to land skill shots

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Crett2/7/2016, 1:54:15 PM3 votes

Fiora's positioning game would be a lot more fair if she didn't have so many tools to throw her opponent's counterplay to the side. Refreshing MS boosts, two slows, a low CD dash and a CC reflector make her REALLY unfun to try to manuever away from if you're someone without dashes

Sasogwa2/7/2016, 1:44:39 PM3 votes

Let me recapitulate what your counterplay leads to:

  1. If she comes closer, walk away. Intelligent Fiora = stay in range of Q'ing to proc a vital on you everytime you go for a CS. So basically you choose not to CS.
  2. Build a MR item that costs quite a lot to deny her ult. Useless in lane, comes in handy in mid-late game only.
  3. Do not try to 1v1 her as she will win, even if your champion is specialized in 1v1 and is garbage in other domains, because Fiora. (without mentioning Fiora is actually better than you in other domains than 1v1 in that situation, due to her ult she actually has a presence in teamfights)
  4. Never use a CC as it can get parried and you can get screwed up. Even if this CC is your main source of power. Like as Jax , when you use your counterstrike, you should literally jump/flash away when you're about to stun her because the stun will be countered, you will be stunned.

Thing lots of people need to understand is that Fiora doesn't necessarily have to get nerfed hard on all the stages of the game. Simply nerfing her passive from true damage to physical with possibly some arpen and possibly even higher values would already make her much healthier to play against. At least if you can't really outplay her (unless you're ranged and mobile), you can at least counterbuild a little bit.

BeatzBoyFTW2/7/2016, 3:42:00 PM2 votes

Even despite your tips, she still remains her high winrate in multiple elos, plus combined with multiple spotlights in the LCS, it's a definite evidence that she needs a nerf-bat at some point.

Let's look at her statistic since you oh so assume she's so easy to beat (all taken by the latest date, which is today of course):

Gold:

Winrate: 51.80% Playrate: 13.11%

Platinum:

Winrate: 50.80% Playrate: 14.56%

Diamond:

Winrate: 50.02% Playrate: 17.41%

Masters+

Winrate: 52.33% Playrate: 22.78%

If Fiora was "soooooooooooooo easy" to beat, she would assumed to be "weak af" by everyone right now, but nope, her playrate still constantly stayed at 50% & playrate never going below 10%.

And also, your tips were nothing in-depth at all, just nothing but a Content page of every book ever. Just your everyday average "if this happens, buy this" or "if you cant do it, just fk it & call out your teammates". Get some sense on how you're receiving 22 downvotes by now.

blfUvZ8Ybu2/7/2016, 1:22:05 PM2 votes

Master,Soraka? Is this a joke?

Cowgirl Ed2/7/2016, 2:23:30 PM1 votes

most of the time hitting a baby works tho

Ralanr2/7/2016, 3:20:19 PM1 votes

Is she getting nerfed? I didn't see anything on surrender@20

Troiann2/7/2016, 3:54:39 PM1 votes

Yes let me just build an item meant for full damage carries on a bruiser during laning phase so fiora doesn't do half my HP in true damage as soon as she hits level six. Oh and let me run away while she's hitting me for 15% max HP true damage with a 2 second Q, who also can't be kited because of that bullshit riposte that blocks all CC and reflects it.

Lol master yi more toxic than fiora? At least Yi's weak early game.

alasarcher2/7/2016, 1:47:52 PM1 votes

Why did u include Yi and Soraka there o.O. I am gold, last season plat, and noone ever bans/picks Yi or Soraka. Also Mister gold, care to explain this game?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2090578319/231525504?tab=overview

Torgal2/7/2016, 2:05:45 PM1 votes

Babys got counterplay, Fiora not.

Syronosin2/7/2016, 2:06:12 PM1 votes

Needing Fiora is a good thing. She can easily shred a full tank with just Black Cleaver. She is extremely mobile, gains a lot of health with only a couple of autos, can dodge your biggest attack, and can shred turrets. You never want to leave someone squishy near her. In the LCS she is heavily played. She can also mass heal her team.

Opportunistic2/7/2016, 2:20:19 PM1 votes

Fiora is a toxic champ whether you like it or not. Take out the true damage. I beat a fiora with volibear a while back. It was one of those people who picked up fiora recently so didn't know how to play her well yet. That fiora raged at me soo hard because of my W on volibear. Said I was OP and needed NERFED. Just because there is counter play to a champ doesn't mean that champ isn't broken. If I had been fighting an experienced fiora I would have lost lane 100% guaranteed. As a matter of fact, even if i was playing ryze against an experienced fiora I would most likely lose. A good fiora will always win a 1v1 no matter who the champ she's tangoing with. Why do you think the LCS play her so hard? Look what happens when fiora actually lands one poke on darius in lcs plays, IMMEDIATELY she gets ganked by like the whole fking team because of her potential. That is exactly what you call broken.

Lets not forget TANK FIORA, jesus that's even more broken than normal fiora.