Why isn't there an AP item for QSS?

1101436··3 votes·1,807 views

Just wondering why. I'm not saying there should be. There must be a reason why there isn't. I laned against a Malz mid my team convinced me to get a QSS but at the end of the game it takes up a slot and seems sort of useless since it builds into item 3139

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Treeofwar4 votes

well you see QSS=hourglass for adcs its like saying why is there not a adc item that makes you untargetable/unkillable

11014361 votes

Can I use hour glass when I'm under a malz ult? Hour glass works differently. If I use hour glass it keeps me in the same position and they just surround me and wait. If i use a QSS i can break free early before they catch up and surround me. You see? So an AP based qss wouldnt be entirely useless.

Ralanr2 votes

No it wouldn't. But it would provide too many benefits.

Also do you really want Fizz to have QSS and hourglass?

11014361 votes

No xD haha

Anonagon1 votes

It wouldn't provide too many benefits

You seem to operate on the assumption that an alternate QSS upgrade would, much like either Zhonya's or Mercurial, not be entirely a situational item. If its stated and priced effectively, then it wouldn't be a ideal buy on champions like Fizz or Leblanc outside of the Malzahar matchup.

Something like:

Total cost: 3100 gold 50 AP 40 MR 300 HP QSS Active ~84% gold efficiency without active (compared to 91% for Mercurial and 92% for Zhonya's)

There's no room in a build for this in most situations, but having an item like this in the game makes it so QSS isn't as super inefficient as it is for mages. Its a bad item, but with it you can keep QSS in a 6 item AP build.

Treeofwar1 votes

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Can I use hour glass when I'm under a malz ult? Hour glass works differently. If I use hour glass it keeps me in the same position and they just surround me and wait. If i use a QSS i can break free early before they catch up and surround me. You see? So an AP based qss wouldnt be entirely useless.

but with QSS you dont dodge abilities if timed right all you get is out of cc which mean you still take damage from the ability hitting you such as annie R. Why give mages both but adcs only one? mages already get super tanky with the new item changes and you want to make it so you cant CC them either?

Pierce The Veal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cpt Neck Beard,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5yMUWJNG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-12T20:14:22.854+0000)

Can I use hour glass when I'm under a malz ult? Hour glass works differently. If I use hour glass it keeps me in the same position and they just surround me and wait. If i use a QSS i can break free early before they catch up and surround me. You see? So an AP based qss wouldnt be entirely useless.

But can a QSS negate one billion true damage?

Motel 6 Rat1 votes

Both have their perks and both go to different classes of champions.

Dynikus1 votes

you don't build qss for the stats.

11014361 votes

Obviously. That is what I'm saying. You buy it for the CC break. But an ADC can just keep the item and build into mercurial and get good stats where as I wouldn't if I'm using AP. I guess that I should either just replace the QSS later or not buy it at all.

Treeofwar1 votes

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Obviously. That is what I'm saying. You buy it for the CC break. But an ADC can just keep the item and build into mercurial and get good stats where as I wouldn't if I'm using AP. I guess that I should either just replace the QSS later or not buy it at all.

ever heard of cleanse?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Cleanse doesn't affect Suppressions (which is the main reason people feel the need to buy QSS).

Anonagon1 votes

Cleanse doesn't break suppressions.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Honestly, there is nothing wrong with sitting on a mid-tier item until late-game. Most games don't even reach the point where you would lose gold by selling it since they end before it becomes an issue.

If you need it, just purchase QSS and keep it until you have finished every other item.

Ruin Lance1 votes

why isn't there an ad item for item 3157?

anyway, you can build a qss as an ap champion, just know that it's typically better to sell it late game.

Anonagon1 votes

Honestly, there's no good reason to not have an alternate QSS upgrade. It doesn't even have to be an AP item, it could be strictly a defensive item.

People always try to pull the "Zhonyas is like an AP QSS!" thing, but that comparison simply doesn't work. The reason you buy QSS is for suppression, and every suppression in the game is a targeted, instant-cast spell, so you can't react to them with Zhonyas.

There's no reason you should have to pay a 1500g tax to be able to lane against Malz from behind. There's no reason why mages at full build are effectively not allowed to get within Malz's ult range because they had to sell their QSS.

Do ADs need a Zhonyas? Not at all, because there is no mechanic in the game to which Zhonyas is the only effective answer.

Astôlfo1 votes

Mages should be avoiding the CC in the first place, and Zhonya's covers almost all protection aspects.

Anonagon1 votes

Once again: QSS is for SUPPRESSIONS EVERY suppression in the game is both targeted and instant cast There isn't any "avoiding" it, unless you mean "don't go within 700 range of Malzahar"

Also, why should Mages be avoiding CC that others theoretically shouldn't be avoiding? I don't get that train of thought. Are other classes not supposed to be avoiding CC?

Astôlfo1 votes

No. Each stat type will never have the same itemization options, nor should they, given their vastly different playstyles and weaknesses. Same reason ADs don't get Zhonya's. And if you would use common sense, you'd realize I meant avoid Malzahar and stay out of his 700 range unless you're with your team. Your team can easily interrupt his ultimate, which barely does damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

dont they have item 3222 ? that is basically a non damage form of QSS that provides a heal and mana regen and cdr ?

shhhh its ok to build on ap mid champs not just for supports

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

but if you want a damage type of item 3140 item

maybe a build path of item 3108 + item 1026 + item 3140 into the AP QSS item which would give you 10% cdr , 75ap and 35 mr with the active of item 3140 cost of 3400 gold?

JustMonika131 votes

Katarina with item 3140 sounds terrifying. Especially with her upcoming rework.

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