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Thank You Riot for thew New Veigar.

1101436··10 votes·2,310 views

I love the changes to Veigar and I love his skill shot Q. Veigar is so awesome now. His stun is still good even though it has been changed.

I may be one in a million but I love the new Veigar. I've always felt Veigar was OP. Now there is something that balances him out. THANK YOU. His stun is still easy to use.

When I first started playing League of Legends, Veigar was my main squeeze.

Soon after playing him for a while I began getting annoyed by his voice. (Veigar is high pitch and whiney)

Seeing all of the other champions get skins I began to question... Will Veigar ever get any attention? Do enough people play him? Surely there are so many champions without legendary skins... will Veigar ever get one?

Then sure enough... WAM. Final Boss Veigar comes out. It was like you were reading my mind. You guys are my heroes. I won the league Lotto.

I have so much fun playing with him now. Everything about that skin is awesome.

Veigar THANK YOU!!!!!! Veigar

25 Comments

4nth0l0gy4 votes

I thought you were trolling, but you're not.

You're entitled to your opinion, even if it is objectively wrong.

11014367 votes

Well I guess you know better than Riot. With the New Q I can farm minions faster. I can hit 2 targets with my Q which is way better than before. Where is your proof that my opinion is wrong? When I'm allowed to stay in MY lane and farm I'm taking half of a life bar with my Q alone. Now I can take a half from two champions with just my Q. Even on the tanks, Veigar can melt them if they build only armor.

11014362 votes

It's just more efficient to take 2 minions with one cooldown for his Q. It's better. If you cant work a stun with the new delay you've got a problem. Yes the old stun was better but OP is always better.

4nth0l0gy7 votes

Look, Veigar changes were widely regarded in the community as the single stupidest champion adjustment Riot has made in months. It's not that I know better than Riot, it's that Riot should know better about making such drastic and seemingly unwarranted changes, because they in turn received the backlash of hundreds if not thousands of players on the boards alone.

My proof is that Veigar's winrate plummeted below 40%, and has only barely recovered to 44%, still in the bottom 10 of all champions along with Zilean and Bard. My proof is that DaBox called him "unplayable". http://puu.sh/gdaWU/3554725a4f.jpg

I'm not saying he can't win games. He can. It's just much harder to do now. His CC is completely unreliable, and his damage output, as a result, suffers. Farming is nice but not a selling point, especially considering that the best Veigar players around mainly used his Q for harass in lane rather than stacking.

11014367 votes

The stupidest? If there's one thing I know about the league community, it's that they cannot always be trusted, listened to, or relied upon.

4nth0l0gy6 votes

That doesn't have any bearing on the statistics I gave, but to prove a point, here's an article on crowd wisdom: http://blog.asmartbear.com/ignoring-the-wisdom-of-crowds.html

Specific quote:

"The TV studio audience [of 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire'] predicts the correct answer an astonishing 91% of the time. Remember, these are questions from all domains of knowledge, all ranges of difficulty, polling a group of people who happened spend the (weekday) afternoon in a TV studio."

Get enough people to answer a question, and the results usually average out to the approximate truth. In this case: Veigar got trashed.

Furthermore, why post on the League boards if you don't value our opinions?

Eleshakai1 votes

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Look, Veigar changes were widely regarded in the community as the single stupidest champion adjustment Riot has made in months. It's not that I know better than Riot, it's that Riot should know better about making such drastic and seemingly unwarranted changes, because they in turn received the backlash of hundreds if not thousands of players on the boards alone.

My proof is that Veigar's winrate plummeted below 40%, and has only barely recovered to 44%, still in the bottom 10 of all champions along with Zilean and Bard. My proof is that DaBox called him "unplayable". http://puu.sh/gdaWU/3554725a4f.jpg

I'm not saying he can't win games. He can. It's just much harder to do now. His CC is completely unreliable, and his damage output, as a result, suffers. Farming is nice but not a selling point, especially considering that the best Veigar players around mainly used his Q for harass in lane rather than stacking.

Every change Riot makes is 'widely regarded'(by the vocal minority on the forums)'as the stupidest champion adjustment Riot has made'. And every single time, the minority proves to be wrong. The change ends up working out just fine.

The change was needed, and while I agree Veigar isn't quite balanced yet, at least he is balanceable now - which he wasn't before.

BuCkeT SeiZureS3 votes

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Every change Riot makes is 'widely regarded'(by the vocal minority on the forums)'as the stupidest champion adjustment Riot has made'. And every single time, the minority proves to be wrong. The change ends up working out just fine.

The change was needed, and while I agree Veigar isn't quite balanced yet, at least he is balanceable now - which he wasn't before.

Well they were actually correct. We saw where the 5.4 put him. He was utter trash. He is better now, but people saying they predict the enemy and land Ws all the time are simply playing against bad enemies. There is no reason to get hit by ir unless they are CCed. There is also no benefit to trapping someone inside the event horizon unless you are chasing them with your team. BUT! You say the most important thing. He is balanceable now. They can make his other abilities better. And they really need to do that. They can even make him into the satisfying image of a demented mind torturing others inside a cage. (veigar takes 20% less damage from enemies inside the cage and deals 20% more to them. Something like that, though the numbers could be crazy)

Eleshakai1 votes

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Well they were actually correct. We saw where the 5.4 put him. He was utter trash. He is better now, but people saying they predict the enemy and land Ws all the time are simply playing against bad enemies. There is no reason to get hit by ir unless they are CCed. There is also no benefit to trapping someone inside the event horizon unless you are chasing them with your team. BUT! You say the most important thing. He is balanceable now. They can make his other abilities better. And they really need to do that. They can even make him into the satisfying image of a demented mind torturing others inside a cage. (veigar takes 20% less damage from enemies inside the cage and deals 20% more to them. Something like that, though the numbers could be crazy)

The point is that his spell is really strong EVEN IF HE STUNS NOBODY. That's what's so crazy... it's the most powerful zoning tool in the game... even better than anivia's wall.

People who are complaining they can't just stun anybody they want to arej ust refusing to adapt. Veigar's playstyle has changed, and those who refuse to adapt will suck with him. And that's why his winrate is so low. People who adapt to him will probably enjoy him. I've watched a few games with veigar in it and people have done some amazing things... and none of it involved his old 'stun one perosn burst them to death before they have the chance to react' thing. He now has a high relatively spammable burst-poke along with amazing zoning potential and one of the potentially most deadly abilities in the game. That stun cage, when used well, can basically force the enemy to fight in a bad position by blocking off their entire path to escape, and forcing them to take his burst by fighting or take his burst by running.

I'd argue the time delay on it actually makes it STRONGER as a zoning tool since its overall duration is longer. From the time he casts it until it wears off enemies won't go through that region since if they go through the first part they'll be trapped in the middle.

You just can't use it to instantly catch people and gib them anymore.

BuCkeT SeiZureS1 votes

You have points and I agree it is great at zoning. Support Veigar is great as ever. But that is just it. He is a terrible mid laner now. The people that lose to him are losing because of their bad plays, not the other way around. There is almost no way to stop someone from jumping on you, and as a support, that is not a problem. As the AP carry, it is crippling. Especially as a short ranged AP carry. Veigar can succeed in mid lane in the right team comps, and if he is assisted by his team a whole lot. He is no longer capable of making his own plays though, as an AP mage. (support Veigar can be a huge force to be reckoned with. Especially with new Q and E.)

Eleshakai1 votes

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You have points and I agree it is great at zoning. Support Veigar is great as ever. But that is just it. He is a terrible mid laner now. The people that lose to him are losing because of their bad plays, not the other way around. There is almost no way to stop someone from jumping on you, and as a support, that is not a problem. As the AP carry, it is crippling. Especially as a short ranged AP carry. Veigar can succeed in mid lane in the right team comps, and if he is assisted by his team a whole lot. He is no longer capable of making his own plays though, as an AP mage. (support Veigar can be a huge force to be reckoned with. Especially with new Q and E.)

why do you think zoning is just a support thing? Anivia, Syndra, Orianna, etc. are all great at zoning but they're also good midlaners. Zoning is best when you have damage to back it up, which Veigar has in spades.

Veigar's no longer a 'blow up one champ' midlaner, but he still can be very effective. The concept of instantly blowing up a champ during stun with nothing they can do about it isn't exactly healthy though unless the stun is avoidable. That's why Syndra saw so many nerfs to the width of her stun. She was doing the same, so they had to make it so you could work around it.

BuCkeT SeiZureS1 votes

You are right that zoning is not something for supports only. But you forget that they all have damage that can land while they zone. Veigars damage is his Q. I know a lot of people think they can predict people and land the W, but it really means they are playing against bad players. Its is a very projected 1.2second delay that covers less than 9% of the area inside event horizon. Veigar is alright in team fights where its too hectic to avoid his damage, but in lane, he has loses an ability. Anyone that is paying attention will not be hit by your W. As for nit blowing up a champion, that's all that happens in the current meta. Zed, Ahri, and Leblanc all just 0-100 someone with almost nothing they can do about it. Why can't Veigar? The reason he can't now is because of what they did with his changes. Not because they don't want burst. As a support, his W doesn't matter, so its fine to have it as a useless ability. They need to rework event horizon and stop being lazy about it. It will continue to be an OP toxic ability for a support, even though they are gutting mid Veigar.

Eleshakai1 votes

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You are right that zoning is not something for supports only. But you forget that they all have damage that can land while they zone. Veigars damage is his Q. I know a lot of people think they can predict people and land the W, but it really means they are playing against bad players. Its is a very projected 1.2second delay that covers less than 9% of the area inside event horizon. Veigar is alright in team fights where its too hectic to avoid his damage, but in lane, he has loses an ability. Anyone that is paying attention will not be hit by your W. As for nit blowing up a champion, that's all that happens in the current meta. Zed, Ahri, and Leblanc all just 0-100 someone with almost nothing they can do about it. Why can't Veigar? The reason he can't now is because of what they did with his changes. Not because they don't want burst. As a support, his W doesn't matter, so its fine to have it as a useless ability. They need to rework event horizon and stop being lazy about it. It will continue to be an OP toxic ability for a support, even though they are gutting mid Veigar.

Zed, Ahri, and Leblanc CAN'T 0 you out without response unless they're like 10-0 already. Veigar could do it if he was 0-5.

Zed has to outplay you. If you have summoners up, if you have good mechanics, cc, a support nearby, a dash, etc. you can avoid a lot of his damage unless he is dramatically better at the game than you. And if he's way better than you, he deserves to kill you. Ahri's burst combo only does about 40-50% of a person's health upfront. The rest of it can be dodged, or if you can reply, you might even set her up for death. Leblanc's cc is delayed by like 2 seconds, so you can easily reply to her starting to use her damage again using summoners, cc, mobility, spellshields, etc.

Veigar's q-ult combo used to be able to kill people from 100-0 if he even STARTED to get fed. And both of those abilities were point and click. Add to that a MASIVE aoe instant stun with huge range and a decent chunk of aoe damage... and you can see why he could never be viable, I'm sure?

As to his w in midlane... smart veigars will use it as a method to zone people away from minions, or to force the enemy to move closer to an ally who is roaming to gank, or even to force an enemy to back off rather than committing on you. There are ways to use it, those methods just aren't 'I stun you instantly and burst you out'.

BuCkeT SeiZureS1 votes

Well I cannot tell if you are sarcastic or really just do not understand what you are talking about. But this conversation is over.

Eleshakai1 votes

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Well I cannot tell if you are sarcastic or really just do not understand what you are talking about. But this conversation is over.

You're simply too focused on his old pattern to recognize that there can be a new one.

I'm not saying he's 100% balanced now, but he isn't 'short a skill'.

But that's fine, don't discuss, just stay stuck in the past and keep hating it. Enjoy.

DrCyanide3 votes

My problem with new Veigar is he's a poke mage. I've got lots of poke mages, I bought Veigar to be a burst mage. Until his W can land with a bit more reliability, he'll continue to be a poke mage.

Champlooge3 votes

I like is new rework. Gives counter play, cry me a river but his stun is easy to land tbh. Its about .25 seconds longer than the old veigers stun. But he got buffs everywhere. ( except his 1 shot ult)

Junkο2 votes

I like the old Veigar where he stole 20% of every opponents nearby AP as passive and his ult scaled off their mana instead of AP (for obvious reasons)

fractalfantasies2 votes

He wasn't OP before, but his new kit looks much harder to actually balance

I mean now he is weak, so do you tune up his AP bonus from the passive (late game OP), increase the damage on his Q, teamfights OP. It's a step backwards.

11014361 votes

The New Veigar*

cough ahem....

BottleCapster1 votes

Since his recent buffs, Vivi does feel much better to play. and he's got more to come, which may set him where others want him, the dash fix being much appreciated. But overall, i do like new Vivi, just when they released him they gutted his E to the point of mediocrity, and that's what most people seem to hate about it.

Graidon1 votes

Idiots vote for old Veigar. People who have ANY clue what Riot is doing (which is good stuff) they vote new Veigar.

Woodsy25751 votes

I don't have an opinion on Veigar, but I really love your attitude

UPfreely1 votes

veigar needs a small rework to shift his kit more towards his AP gains. he should stay weak but become a monster if he survives. here's an example of what i mean. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yEe8pgEf-killing-support-veigarkit-rebalance

Poldy Scarecrow1 votes

I never liked Veigar cuz of the look, voice, pt and click kit, E that's practically an ult, and R's enemy AP scaling. I tried playing him too but didn't have much fun with him.

I'm also one of the rare persons who like the changes. I had so much fun with the new Q and his E felt much more skill reliant and more rewarding if I could land it properly. Testing these changes I also tried Final Boss Veigar which I believe to be on of the best skins in the game.

I really think Riot did a good job and more people would probably like it if they gave it a chance. The new E isn't as hard to use as alot of people are saying either. I definitely considered becoming a Veigar main after his rework. But everything here's just my opinion ofc.

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