hello ? this ability alone is already a counter to so many things , but why is the attack speed slow added in there ? no wonder she wins every lane , specially against matchups like jax and yasuo ... if there were any nerfs planned for her , i think removing this cripple effect could be a step in the right direction
General Esdeath 31 votesCareful, don't say anything about her too loud or r/fioramains will be here to downvote you while using fake french accents
subhuman team XD2 voteswell , this is one way to make her laning phase a little bit less frustrating or at least unlock the crippling effect until lvl 5 or make it scale based on level im just trying to make fiora decent to play against shes already strong in lane , but this just makes her even way stronger and impossible to deal with
General Esdeath 4 votesThat's how I feel. I liked her old parry, that only worked on auto attacks and was a huge telegraph you could easily avoid. Now she doesn't need to counter CC to cripple you. Imagine if Kayle's ult said "Well you didn't take any damage so I'm gonna full heal you"
Joxcab2 votesOkay sure, let's imagine if Kayle's ultimate also only lasted 0.75 seconds long and rooted her in place for that time, why not?
Stop making literally completely fucking irrelevant comparisons.
General Esdeath 5 votes"OH NO I'M ROOTED! GOOD THING I'M IMMUNE TO ALL CC AND DAMAGE!"
Please stop trolling
Joxcab2 votesStop being ignorant and intentionally misrepresenting the topic then?
Fiora's immune to everything for 0.75 seconds. The point of her parry is to block or predict-reflect 1 instant of some key ability (usually CC) so she doesn't die instantly.
Kayle's is an ultimate meant to make her immune to damage but not CC but lets her move so she can keep blitzing people with her ranged attacks without eating fatal damage, or to escape. Hers also lasts far longer for that same reason. Same reason why Fiora's is also far shorter.
They are for completely different champions with completely different focuses. Fiora is a single target dueler. Kayle can both single target and teamfight by just ulting the carry instead so they can freely wreak havoc.
General Esdeath 5 votesExcept it can block more than 1. And it's supposed to be less annoying that her old parry, but it's way worse. If it just blocked it I wouldn't mind it, but to make it a stun? No thanks.
And I think you missed my comparison about Kayle's ult granting HP.
Joxcab1 votesIf Fiora Riposte is up, you'd have to be legitimately fucking brain dead to use any more than one thing on her. There's probably at least half a dozen things a team has she is pretty much required to parry to survive. Use the least important one out of those, force out Riposte, then hit her afterwards.
Okay so then stand behind the tank or have the tank do it because it doesn't matter the slightest fucking bit if they get stunned briefly.
Your comparison is irrelevant. For Fiora to land the slow without actually parrying, her enemy has to literally just stand inside of the clearly outlined hitbox on the ground for 0.75 seconds until she fires said slow (the thrust animation of her sword). You don't have an excuse to stay there for no reason if you weren't doing anything.
If you were doing something, that means she successfully parried so there is no problem.
Kayle's ultimate is instantaneous cast on whoever it is, including herself. There is literally no additional effort or thought involved. You simply either ult yourself when low in a 1v1, or ult the carry in a teamfight, whether it's yourself or someone else. It's instant benefit and instant reward.
A better analogy would be complaining about Lux E still exploding automatically even if she dies after like 4-5 seconds. "WTF WHY DOES IT STILL DO DAMAGE EVEN IF SHE'S DEAD"
Okay so then why are you standing inside the E for no reason if she's dead? You can literally just walk out before it self explodes.
Same thing. If you're not doing anything, you have no excuse to stay inside the W hitbox. If you were doing something, she parried and thus gets the slow off.
General Esdeath 3 votesTeamfights exist, and you can throw a Veigar ult and Malphite ult at the same time. If the tank gets CC'd she can now ult them, burst our front line, and get an aoe heal for her team. The point of my comparison is that there's no reason for it to still counter the person meant to counter it. Someone who doesn't rely on CC 
shouldn't feel threatened by her parry. And like Kayle ult her parry is instant and you avoid whatever is coming, even if it's not CC and it's a damage spell. Lux E is basically a Ziggs W or Zilean Q, it's a thing on its own. It's hard to run from the parry when she has a slow on her E.
Arakadia1 votesHow do you stop an auto attack in time? It's very hard. Her old parry was dumb counterplay wise.
General Esdeath 3 voteshit S.
Arakadia1 votesNot easy all the time. Especially when you have high Attack speed.
And it's easier to parry an auto than something like a Darius hooks.
General Esdeath 1 votesYou can also click away.
Joxcab11 votesWhat a constructive and meaningful post.
General Esdeath 9 votesAWAY FRENCHMAN! AWAY!
Joxcab12 votesI don't even use Reddit nor do I main Fiora but okay, keep spamming with posts of literally nothing but attacking others with no constructive material whatsoever.
General Esdeath 7 votesI SAID AWAY! REEEE!
Joxcab6 votesKeep up the spam.
General Esdeath 10 votesI will! So long as I'm waiting in queue!
You see any good movies lately?
reaperteaser5 votesjohn wick chapter 2 was pretty alright
also if you're into the genre, mobile suit gundam the origin is pretty badass, goes over Chars upbringing
General Esdeath 2 votesI was gonna see the new Alien but I'm poor :^( job starts tomorrow so I wasn't fast enough
Arakadia3 votesI don't think it's fair to assume all people of x category are biased and evil in a silly way.
General Esdeath 1 votesDude most r/champmains are full of people who get toxic as soon as you say ANYTHING about their champ.
Arakadia3 votesMost is not all.
Nøstalgia3 votesDude,comments like these trigger me so hard,you're assuming every fiora main is gonna be a total dickhead without even trying to talk in a constructive way
Her W Attack speed slow is not needed in her kit and will be either removed or nerfed hard for sure,so no worries
From a Fiora main,cya
Arakadia3 votesThis^^
You can't say everyone because you think most people fall under x category.
General Esdeath 1 votesI didn't say every :^)
General Esdeath 1 votesNot every, hence why I said most, and it's only the subreddit because every time I see any comment about them I always see those people getting mad over it. And I hope they remove that slow.
Vallalan7 votesit lasts 1.5 seconds. that is really not that long. if you had high attack speed you are gonna miss two to three extra autos at most. which is a fair amount. but the duration of the attack speed slow is minimal. thats why its as strong as it is.
50% is insane, but for only 1.5 seconds it not as bad as it sounds. the real issue with fiora is not an overloaded kit but she scales too hard and does not have a weak enough lane to justify. she has a weak lane, but not vayne status which is what she should be. she scales like vayne but isn't as weak early. i think they need to take off some of her scaling or just gut her early and make her trash in lane.
Hinagiku333 votesI think nerfing Fiora's laning would be much better than nerfing her scaling - her fantasy is the "Grand Duelist" so having a powerful late-game seems required.
The Attack Speed slow doesn't last long, but I'm pretty sure it's also only applied by the blue projectile part. While it comes in handy at times (like if an enemy jumps into your face and can't dodge the slow) I feel like removing it still wouldn't be too bad for nerfing her lane phase. Maybe we can try just lowering it first to see if it has a bigger impact than expected.
Other than that, maybe we could just reduce Fiora's health per level? Black Cleaver got a health increase that makes Fiora rather tanky, especially when she can get Maw and/or Guardian Angel. The fact that Cleaver is Fiora's best rush item just means she gets harder to bully and punish for her hit-n-run style pokes. I don't see Cleaver ever not being a great first item for Fiora due to her kit letting her stack it quickly (same as Riven, even though both are supposed to be glass cannons and Cleaver is a Juggernaut/Tank item) so maybe lowering her health to make up for her rushing a high health item would be warranted?
nachocheeseeeee6 votesSheesh. Why are people bitching about her every day? So what if has an ability to grants her immunity to everything in the game except for turret shots. It lasts only less than 1 sec and it has a long ass cd. Yes it has an attack speed slow, so what.
SpookyNeedle5 votesJust remove the Ms debuff and lower the AS slow but keep it if people want her W nerfed so much. The AS slow is vital to a good bit of matchups, she wouldn't be the grand duelist without it. Lower her hp regen. Just keep an AS slow on the W, even if it's lowered. Removing it completely is a harsher nerf than required. (Almost 500k plat Fiora main)
lslands3 votesGrand Duelist? She 3 shots any champion after 2 items, there is no dueling involved
Elikain8 votesNo, she doesn't. Calculate her damage after her two items and then calculate her Vital damage ratio against the specific target you had in mind. You'd see that what you're saying isn't backed up by math.
THE RlVER KlNG2 votesThat's literal bullshit.
Fiora kills squishies in like a Q-E combo. She kills tanks with just her ult.
Ok sure but why2 votesI think she shouldn't be able to stun you if you're running away while a DIFFERENT teammate mildly slowed her
Joxcab5 votesA slow being parried doesn't stun. And if you're running away you have no excuse to be hit It only affects the first champion hit and it roots her during the cast and isn't too large of a hitbox in addition to the slow itself being delayed.
Ok sure but why3 votesHappened to me before, man
Teamfight starts, she bolts at you max speed, so you run back to prevent instant death
She pops her w while in the middle of your team and boom, you're stunned by that massive hitbox stun since not every adc has a dash, roll, or flash available every ten seconds
subhuman team XD2 voteslmao but what about melee champs ?? if jax goes is in melee range of fiora with his E and fiora presses W as his animation finishes and stuns AND slows jax's attack speed , who do you think will win the trade ? and you say the cast is delayed , its only a 0.75 delay and usually if you go in with your E (which also slows btw) and they fight back assuming they have some sort of cc , if you press W and stun them back then you pretty much won that trade and with 40% cdr you can hit up to 9 second cd parry ... thats just absurd , im just suggesting to tone down the cripple effect or remove it if necessary to avoid any "base damage" nerfs to her i dont want fiora to be useless in lane i just want her laning phase a little bit less frustrating
Joxcab7 votesUm, Jax E stun animation's end is near instantaneous.
Jax can make it impossible for her to read when to parry the stun if he actually knows how to play and isn't an idiot that does it the same way every time or right at the start.
Okay so she hits him with attack speed slow while he's in his E, congratulations, she wasted Parry, Jax stuns her and then murders her.
If Fiora goes in with her E, Jax just hits her back just as hard in lategame if not harder, as well as far faster. She can either waste parry to try and most likely fail to parry the stun then die or have to run ASAP, or parry at start for the AS slow alone and hope she can kill him with her own attacks before Jax just murders her through pure autoattacks rather than dancing around for Vitals or any of that shit. Also the fact he'd just QSS her slow and/or stun in the case she hits him with either kind of Parry reflect effect.
He can just hold E until she goes into Parry or if she ults, rendering the Riposte or ultimate useless. He can end E near instantly without a sign to give Fiora to react and stun him with. And if she doesn't do anything if she ulted, his E makes it impossible for her to hit Vitals. Then he just waits out the majority of her ultimate which gets rid of over 80% of her damage in combat against a single target. If she doesn't parry, Jax just hails down autoattacks and sustains himself instead and kills her.
If he starts E and Fiora tries to parry, he can just stun her first or basically make Fiora waste parry for nothing since he can decide when to end it, and there's almost no animation for it whatsoever prior to the stun itself.
Sure, tone it down early. She doesn't need it that much then. But she literally needs it to have even the slightest chance against lategame melee attack speed based champions in the lategame.
Arakadia7 votesYour going to get downvoted for disagreeing even though your using real evidence and logic.
Jax can easily putplay Parry it's not even funny.
+1
Arakadia3 votesJax E hard counters Fiora W ridiculously hard. Wat you talking about? He can deactivate any time he wants almost without delay.
AmazoX1 votesYou say as if Fiora cannot parry the same time Jax reactivates it, Its all about the timing and who skirmishes better.
Joxcab1 votesUm. Ending his E is instantaneous. His spin animation is after the stun already is placed. Unless you literally get lucky as fuck and predict it, you will not ever stun an even slightly decent Jax with his own E.
AmazoX1 votesPredictions are a thing, It becomes rather obvious when a Jax would deactivate, It's not that hard.
Joxcab1 votesPredictions aren't a common thing enough for it to matter. You can parry Ignite/Exhaust or Ryze W. A Fiora player will almost never successfully predict and do that in a normal circumstance. I'm not talking about an instance where she'd force out the instant ability then block it. I mean predicting it altogether.
If it's obvious when a Jax would deactivate to you, you either are deluded and have no idea what you're talking about, or you are playing against garbage tier Jaxes.
Also Jax can move in E, Fiora can't. He can literally just walk away from her W then stun her from side later after W is down, or stun her during Riposte, which gets parried. But since he's not in the W hitbox, he doesn't get stunned either.
If Fiora isn't already in Parry, she can't start it fast enough to block Jax's stun if he's already in Counterstrike.
