Why does everyone seem to think Vayne is OP?

The Joyous Queen·8/13/2015, 10:29:39 PM·4 votes·4,743 views

So the most common post on this forum (other than the begging for a yorick re-work) is comprised of various grievances about Vayne. Some background: I am an ADC main, and my duo partner and i have played hundreds of ranked games in Bot Lane this patch, of those games vayne has been either the second most popular pick by our opponents when they select before our AD (the most popular being graves), and the fourth or fifth most popular after we pick (assuming i don't select vayne). My personal ADC pool (which used to prioritize vayne first, but i'll get into that) usually Consists of Tristan,Corki,Kalista,vayne, MF, and then after those everyone else. Ok so on point, why do people think Vayne is op? In honesty i really don't know, it isn't sensical. I was a Vayne Main for a long time, and i started to switch away from her in Solo/Duo Queue because of her high risk playstyle, she can be shut down and a shut down vayne is useless to her team. We've all seen this right? The 0/7 Vayne who is raging about the jungle not camping her and can't do any dmg at all, while being the squishiest little thing ever to exist? The most common complaint i hear about Vayne is that "she has no counterplay" usually referring to her %TrueDMG Silver Bolts, and these complaints come from people arguing tanks can not build to counter it. Well i'm sorry to tell you tanks but this isn't what the essence of counterplay is, League is a team based game. When My Duo and I see a vayne pick we usually start salivating, because not only is my main tristana now open, but i get to destroy a vayne in lane with her. Vayne is counter-pickable in several fashions: Lane bullys like Graves, MF, Lucian, Corki, Caitlyn can deny her farm since they simply outrange her Autos: an unfarmed vayne is useless. But almost any ADC can do this, because vayne has one of the shortest auto ranges among ADCs, this is why vayne top is viable, she needs to outrange you to farm. So how about late game? Well it is by design that vayne hard carries games late she is still stoppable assuming she wasn't fed early (a fed vayne is and should be unstoppable) the answer is of course CrowdControl. I particularly like picking tristana into this matchup because, in addition to her having a monstrous late game to match an enemy vayne and lane winning potential, her ultimate is the "No-Vaynes" button for me. In teamfights after the engage i wait for vaynes condemn to come out then blast her over the wall. There are tons of ways to take vayne out of a fight even late, thresh can grab her and 5 champions worth of focused dmg will delete her in under 2 seconds, she can be kited by champions with slows, or iceborn gauntlets, or even with exhaust.

Look, i get that when vayne feeds of of your bot lane it is rough. And teamwork is really OP in league, but that's the way it ought to be. You may not be able to beat vayne 1 on 1 but my question is always "why did you fight her 1v1?" Teams can take vaynes out all game long, so let's stop talking about the need for vayne nerfs and start using curse voice to coordinate, ok summoners?

17 Comments

CreationFlaw8/13/2015, 10:34:08 PM2 votes

I think it's that she's pretty average for laning now, and with a good support is really, really strong even against kill lanes.

Kazaashi8/13/2015, 10:36:21 PM1 votes

For some reason the phrase "True Damage" is a big psychological trigger for LoL players.

Akaliholic8/13/2015, 10:37:14 PM1 votes

That's the same argument that we have always used when people QQ'd about Akali. Lane Bullies, Teamwork, and Pink Wards have always shut her down hard, and yet community QQ still won out in the end. The irony is that Riot was all over nerfing Akali, but have been extremely hesistant to nerf Vayne who's weaknesses are FAR less exploitable than Akali's are.

Aeolian Melodies8/13/2015, 11:40:47 PM1 votes

because "herp derp I only sightly won my lane against her but 40 min of free farm later she can still carry her team harder than me wtf rito"

SaltyKracka8/13/2015, 11:45:59 PM1 votes

High pickrate, good winrate.

NemeBro8/13/2015, 11:47:49 PM1 votes

{quoted} because vayne has one of the shortest auto ranges among ADCs

This is false. Her AA range is average for an ADC.

(a fed vayne is and should be unstoppable)

Assuming you are not being hyperbolic, why?

General Murica8/14/2015, 12:49:41 AM1 votes

Vayne is insanely overrated. She just excels in 1v1/2v2=butthurt melee mains.