Seriously .

LOSINGISMYPRIDE·Mar 21, 2018·7 votes·2,003 views

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Defiant Dance (W) Cost: 70/75/80/85/90 Mana Cooldown: 16/15/14/13/12 seconds First Cast: Irelia aligns her blades into a defensive formation, gaining 45/50/55/60/65% (+10% AP) damage reduction and a stack of Ionian Fervor but becoming unable to act. Second Cast: Irelia swipes her blades, dealing 10/30/50/70/90 (+60% AD) (+50% AP) physical damage. Damage increases with charge time, up to 20/60/100/140/180 (+120% AD) (+100% AP) after .75 seconds. Defiant Dance cannot be interrupted. Quick Cast: Hold down instead of casting twice.

If this goes thought im actually done with league .

Even galio doesnt get that much reduction for so cheap ap .

41 Comments

TempName74814Mar 21, 20188 votes

and exactly how useful will full ap irelia actually be? how would this be (functionally) any different from alpha dodges, fizz e, or yasuo walls?

xGunna1Mar 21, 20182 votes

because fizz and yasuo aren't cancerous enough for the game to add more

TempName74814Mar 21, 20187 votes

a full ap irelia would have about 1k burst and a single survival gimmick. i'd probably report anyone who tried it in my games

(edit) ok 400 ap level 18 irelia burst would be about 1.7k, pre-mitigation (using max rank for everything)

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 21, 20181 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/03/320-pbe-update.html#more I think she got the scaling to go full ap .

TempName74814Mar 21, 20181 votes

i just did the math immediately after posting my reply, and edited it

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 21, 20181 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf5h7Td7Ews Dont forget your Q reset technically 3 time with proc of lichbane if you go ap .

flibitydooMar 22, 20181 votes

that's PBE, which means PBE matchmaking. The youtuber in question is Professor Akali (who I've never heard of) but according 3 seconds spent going to OP.GG and looking his name up, he's plat 3 with an 84% winrate (which means he probably has not peaked his rank and is probably better than plat 3). The average summoner on the PBE is silver. Low Silver. Skill differential exists.
Literally the first clip of the video is him having 18 kills and 4 deaths as well as a hefty chunk of CS relative to the time (230+ by 27 minutes). The CS pretty much a sign that yes, he is definitely above average PBE skill level. So of course if he's that fed he is going to instaburst people. Give me an offensive champion that has 19 kills and 4 deaths with double his victim's CS and is ahead 3 levels against a squishy assassin that can't do that.

FatedSaviourMar 22, 20181 votes

professor akali, watch more, be impressed

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 21, 20181 votes

and her passive proc on her q on hit effect . which is 72 i guess.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 21, 20181 votes

I just hope she never hit live with these scaling or she get permaban for sure .

Z3SleeperMar 21, 20181 votes

She does but she can’t get AP penetration items. She needs to invest in AD penetration items to pierce tanky targets.

LankPantsMar 21, 20181 votes

(edit) ok 400 ap level 18 irelia burst would be about 1.7k, pre-mitigation (using max rank for everything)

Yep and tons of that burst is physical damage, which means she can't use Void or Sorc Shoes and she runs into far higher armour values since armour stack is so much more common. So even if the number isn't complete garbage, in practice it's complete garbage.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 21, 20181 votes

Flawless Duet (E) Cost: 50 Mana Cooldown: 14/13/12/11/10 seconds Irelia readies 2 blades that will fly towards each other once placed, dealing 80/120/160/200/240 (+90% AP) magic damage and stunning for .8/.9/1/1.1/1.2 seconds. Champions and large monsters are Marked for 6 seconds.

Vanguard's Edge (R) Cost: 100 Mana Cooldown: 120/105/90 seconds Irelia launches a storm of blades that explode outward upon hitting a champion. The blades deal 150/275/400 (+70% AP) magic damage and Mark champions and large monsters for 6 seconds. Irelia then forms the blades into a wall for 2.5/3/3.5 seconds. Passing through the wall deals 125/200/275 (+70% AP) magic damage, slows by 60% and disarms for 2 seconds. Disarmed enemies cannot basic attack.

Only her Q scale with AD only and the rest all have ap scaling .

AzadetheMar 22, 20181 votes

It's not representative of the real game, but watch his AP kill on PBE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y59KZ_yU5KA

Those champs all had over 4000 HP.

I broke down the math of a more viable AP build above, which IS viable, and still brings out scary aoe damage. If a team team fights near her, they are going to risk Erasure. Likewise, if they decide to skirmish her, she's also going to erase them. There's no situation in which she's weak, if she goes AP. AD..... she has weak skill followups, but has a strong Q and can 1v1. AP..... she's a harder nuke than a Veigar.

MorganFreemanBotMar 22, 20185 votes

Are people seriously QQing about this?

AP Irelia would be gimmicky at best; her ultimate's cooldown is long enough to mean that building AP for only that is dumb, her E is both a skill shot and not long distance enough to be much of a factor. Even with her damage reduction she'd be more than manageable by a competent team and garbage as a split pusher.

Let us not forget that Nocturne has 100% AP scaling on his E and Rek'sai has 70% AP (and 40% bonus AD) scaling on her burrowed Q.

There are a lot of melee champs who have abilities which scale super hard with AP; that doesn't mean building AP on them is anything more than a troll / low skill pub-stomp strat.

Z3SleeperMar 21, 20183 votes

Fiora does it, i don’t see any reason why full AP irelia shouldnt (dumb build anyway)

xGunna1Mar 22, 20181 votes

fiora long cooldowns + short duration (0.75sec)

irelia is way better

AzadetheMar 22, 20181 votes

Fiora has to aim. Irelia is a self buff.... and lasts 4 times as long, and has 2-4 seconds lower of a cooldown, AND does a gigantic hit after.

Z3SleeperMar 22, 20183 votes

Has to aim what? It parries regardless of direction.

gabetheguyMar 22, 20183 votes

oh wow. she can be invincible for 3 seconds. and then do fucking nothing because AP irelia is garbage. how broken.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 22, 20181 votes

Her Q got a 70 % Total attack damage . Her W has a 50 % ap ratio and if you wait 0.75 it double damage and goes to 100 % ap and a Total attack damage of 60 % , 120 % if charged max . Her E got straight a 90 % ap ratio . Her ult got straight a only ap ratio of 70 % ap ratio and if you hit the blade you receive another 70 % ap ratio .

So she get wht 330 % ap ratio and 190 % Total attack damage scaling . I wonder if you understand wht you said mean . Just to be sure you understand i will just put the link below so you can count yourself .

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/03/320-pbe-update.html#more

AzadetheMar 22, 20181 votes

You do realize that it has a 7.2 second cooldown, and you haven't looked at his video of 1300 AD vs 1600 AP. Although Vandiril is a sensationalist who creates scenarios which never happen, look at what happens during his AP Irelia kill. He murders 4 of 5 in 1 skill, and the last in his first combo.... and it happens fast. The R has double hits: initial hit + dagger wall hit. And it can hit multiple targets with both hits, and has a 70% AP ratio.

AP is actually more viable than AD at erasing teams with her new ratios/skills, and 3 of 4 skills are aoes with disarms/stuns. It's not garbage. You can build her item 3146 item 3124 item 3100 item 3115 item 3089 item 3020 and have enough damage on your Q to reset it on each use, and it'll also pump all her other abilities.

For example, this build has a base 405 AP, multiplied to 567 AP, and that doesn't account for any AP she gets from runes (possibly boosting up to about 760 AP or more) Also, the new Ginsoo's is a % boost to AP, resulting in a charged bonus of...664 AP and 203 AD.

On her incoming parameters:

R: 864.9 Initial Hit 739.8 Secondary hit

E: 837.6 damage

W 1087.6 Damage.

All these are aoes, on relatively low cooldowns, other than the R.

That's a total caster damage of 3,529.9 Premitigation damage before even considering her Q's to a large aoe, with no risk in a team fight. And it doesn't even include her Runes.

Here's what I'm looking at:

Sorcery Primary: Either Phase Rush or Comet (Comet is also an aoe, and Irelia has a trap to make it hit) Ultimate Hat Celerity/Transcendence Gathering Storm

Secondary varying based on team.

That's going to give a LOT more AP, which means built as an on hit mage, she's going to do over 4000 damage just with the caster abilities, and have 3 seconds of complete immunity per 7.2 seconds cooldown.

Its All SkillzzMar 21, 20182 votes

And it has a 8 sec cooldown rofl.......

Ashen RiderMar 21, 20182 votes

The thing is, she can't actually DO anything while she has said damage reduction. Seems balanced to me.

NaturesMayhemMar 21, 20181 votes

That's not the issue. It's that she can bait out a powerful ability from the enemy and cause them to completely waste it with no drawbacks. Allowing her to engage on the enemy when their hard cc is down. This is asinine, it allows her to engage on the enemy team and they have to wiff a useful ability to get her to use the W. Now that's one less ability they have for a team fight. If this ability is used right, it gives whoever has Irelia on their team, immense pressure with few drawbacks from engaging.

ValiantKillerMar 21, 20181 votes

Man i see a youtuber yesterday who was playing her and he took that zed ult then w = no damage at all to her, then he just ult zed and zed got stuck into the blade wall then q him double times and he was dead while i Irelia came out of fight with full hp. Like they nerfed most of the assassins champs and yet they make champ that will take assassin ult like ease then melt them, MonkeyKing can't ult her or brust her neither Zed or Talon and list goes on.

Ashen RiderMar 22, 20181 votes

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That's not the issue. It's that she can bait out a powerful ability from the enemy and cause them to completely waste it with no drawbacks. Allowing her to engage on the enemy when their hard cc is down. This is asinine, it allows her to engage on the enemy team and they have to wiff a useful ability to get her to use the W. Now that's one less ability they have for a team fight. If this ability is used right, it gives whoever has Irelia on their team, immense pressure with few drawbacks from engaging.

Fiora Nocturne Sivir ?

NaturesMayhemMar 22, 20181 votes

Your point being? You're not justifying it by pointing out other champions with the same issue. Every single one of them is a pain in the ass to deal with due to that ability. You can't use hard CC on nocturne right away when he engages. Fiora can bait any hard CC and turn it right back on you. Sivir gets mana back from it. However, these champions don't even compare to Irelia besides Fiora. Due to the fact that Irelia's ability lasts for multiple seconds, instead of just cancelling out an ability. And I would say Irelia is even more broken with it due to her strong engage as opposed to Fiora. Therefore, I really don't see what point you're trying to prove here.

Ashen RiderMar 22, 20181 votes

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Your point being? You're not justifying it by pointing out other champions with the same issue. Every single one of them is a pain in the ass to deal with due to that ability. You can't use hard CC on nocturne right away when he engages. Fiora can bait any hard CC and turn it right back on you. Sivir gets mana back from it. However, these champions don't even compare to Irelia besides Fiora. Due to the fact that Irelia's ability lasts for multiple seconds, instead of just cancelling out an ability. And I would say Irelia is even more broken with it due to her strong engage as opposed to Fiora. Therefore, I really don't see what point you're trying to prove here.

My point is that you can't complain about Irelia without bringing up these other champs, as the spellshields etc. that they have are usually stronger. Irelia is still vulnerable to cc while under the effect of her w, and you're ignoring the fact that Irelia is unable to do anything else while using it, including move.

NaturesMayhemMar 23, 20181 votes

She isn't vulnerable to CC, the ability cannot be interrupted, even says it in the description,"Defiant Dance cannot be interrupted.". Also, yeah she isn't invulnerable. However, she gets 65% damage reduction at max rank when this will be used in teamfights most. On top of the fact that Irelia builds tanky naturally, so the damage dealt during that time will be minuscule. As you also said, she can't move or cast any abilities while W is being used. That's good, but it doesn't prevent it from being used to wreck havok. All she has to do is use here Q to fly into the enemy's back-line, use most of her kit, requiring the squishy carry to use their abilities unless the want to sit there and die. When they do that, Irelia will use her W and most of the damage and all the CC will be non-existant, as well as any other champion's abilities that were used during that time.

Ashen RiderMar 23, 20181 votes

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She isn't vulnerable to CC, the ability cannot be interrupted, even says it in the description,"Defiant Dance cannot be interrupted.". Also, yeah she isn't invulnerable.

My bad, I missed that part. But still, you HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED AGAINST IT YET. You have no idea if it's going to be too strong. You are describing a champion when they are at their best, which can make anybody sound OP. Oh, Kennen ? Yeah, he can run really fast into the enemy team and stun them all at once while your team kills them. DrMundo ? He can shrug off your CC with his free tenacity, ult to survive through the enemy's damage, and use his near perma slow on his Q and free AD from his E to kill your ADC. Amumu ? He can make sure your whole team cannot auto or move for a whole two seconds, while dealing max health damage and building really tanky.

Dope SoloMar 21, 20181 votes

Yeah, this shit is just a dumb idea. Maybe as an ult with long cooldown,.

vgamedudeMar 21, 20181 votes

Literal ap cheese build and people are crying.

PraetorAmalthusMar 21, 20181 votes

What tilts me more is the "Cannot be interrupted" part because this obviously means she will be able to block cc with that, which can screw some champs who rely on sth like that, blocking blitz´s pull, Yas q and stuff like that, poppy ult as well. Really intrigued how this pans out, my guess is that she will lose the hard cc immunity if she proves to be WAY to overbearing

AzadetheMar 22, 20181 votes

She's not immune to cc during it, but it'll still cancel all damage during its duration. An Alistar can still flip her and she can stil be stunned meaning she can't get her hit off, but it means she can erase so many oncoming hits.

PraetorAmalthusMar 22, 20181 votes

A bit better but still a damn nightmare

DurzakaMar 22, 20181 votes

ok...

And how much AP does Irelia build in a normal game?

Do you seriously think this is going to make people build her full AP in a standard game? Fuck no it wont.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 22, 20181 votes

I wonder how strong can be 100 % damage reduction for only getting 350 ap and the fact that the rest of her ability scale with ap aside of her Q.

LacerationMar 22, 20181 votes

her kit looks over saturated as fuck and this shit is what ruins the game for not just me but so many other players aswell. Riot should just reupload season 3 at this point LUL