It just doesn't. So, stop giving that as a advice. That's not going to help a player make better decisions and improve. It will only help safety a slight bit. I have never seen it help a player that's 5/11/3 to be 11/5/3.
Neotrixed10 votesNot warding is and awful habit to get into
Lyless2 votesNot warding is and awful habit to get into
I didn't say not warding at all. As much are the key words.
HexaDecimel2 votesBut the problem is in the last game you posted you DIDN'T ward at all...
Daen3 votesExcept that in many of your games you don't ward at all.
Lugg7 votesLyless, you have to be trolling with this one. While I have disagreed with you a lot in the past, I know you aren't this stupid.
Warding wins games at any ELO. Knowing where the enemy is keeps you from getting killed and allows you to kill them. It also controls objectives, which is one of the keys to victory.
Penns2 votesImplying people actually look at the map in lower elos.
Lyless2 votesImplying people actually look at the map in lower elos.
They do not. I actually do. My map awareness is excellent.
HexaDecimel6 votesLyless is constantly aware that his map is completely dark. There are no wards on the map, and he maintains that awareness straight until defeat.
Lugg1 votesIt's hit or miss in low elo for sure.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesImplying that you don't. Even if you only ward for your benefit they are still worth it.
Lyless1 votesImplying that you don't. Even if you only ward for your benefit they are still worth it.
Unless I said it, don't say I did.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesI never said you said it i said the previous poster (PENNS) implied it. Unless I said it, don't say i did. In the mean time even if you only ward for your benefit they are still worth it. Nice troll thread though, you at least put some effort into it.
Maximum Morde5 votesIt actually helps even more at lower ELO if your goal is to carry because you will be able to find and shit on the enemy team (who aren't warding cause its low elo). This will get you fed so fast they will probably FF or start trolling each other.
You can't control what your team does, but you can control what you do.
LiveYiOrDieHard5 votesYou don't just ward and expect it to magically make your team win. You have to actually use them properly.
2000boxes4 votesreally? i have seen it make a 5/11/3 go 11/5/3 i was duo'ing with my friend when i didn't ward we got camped and he went 5/11/3 when i did ward i got him 11/5/3 in 15 minutes
Shonjl4 votesWarding doesn't mean crap in low ELO since low ELO don't have map awareness.
You can have the entire map revealed like you can do when spectating and it would amount to nothing when most low ELO people don't even know their is a mini map in the corner of their screen.
I fully agree with OP, there really is no excuse when there is like 1-2 wards and you see someone coming to gank you but stupid ADC still gets ganked since I mean, he only had 5-10 seconds to back off, on top of support trying to slow it all down and they just sit there and die and blame the support anyways.
No matter your lane, you can't cure stupid. And guess what? Most people that play/low ELO players has the stupid disease.
HexaDecimel1 votes"Have" the stupid disease, and you shouldn't say such things about Lyless :p
Adrian Umbra3 votesIf YOU can see the entire map lit up like a Christmas tree, YOU can abuse the heck out of it. Split push. Nab objectives. Captain your team and lead them to victory. Potential stupidity from your teammates is no excuse for you not to keep vision on the map purely for yourself.
Regardless of whether it matters for your team, it matters for you. You have no excuse to ward any less just based on the fact that you're sitting in B5.
Shonjl1 votesThis is a team game, let's be real, one person rarely carries an entire game alone, since even stupid people can usually form the idea of if they all focus that guy, they will highly likely win the fight.
At the end of the day, while yes the tools are there and people use them, but most don't even care. You can't make someone look at the map for them, even with pings some people choose to be ignorant. Just look at any low ranked game or normals, even with wards and pings in advance, people still get ganked and blame someone else for their own stupidity.
Adrian Umbra1 votesI'm not talking about you carrying the game alone. I'm talking about making your plays more informed, dying less to your enemies, and abusing your opponents' stupidity harder. You do that on a regular basis and especially if you can pull together your disorganized team into a force to be reckoned with, you'll climb hard and fast.
If you want to succeed in this team game, especially with a team of people who don't know what to do, step up and lead the mob rather than letting them fall apart on you. Don't just accept that your teammates are stupid and that every game you play is lost because the enemy team will just focus you. Ask them to peel for you or take down carries while the enemy team is busy with you. Warding well and keeping good vision on the map so that your shot calls are better is step one in that strategy.
Only Play Darius4 votesLol yes it does, warding is literally the easiest way to climb in low elo because no one else does it. If you are the only one warding that's vision you have over the enemy.
Wards are how I went from Bronze5 to Bronze3 in 2 days. I would just splitpush top as Nasus and ward the shit out of the adjacent jungle (trinket upgrade OP) and pretty much stay under their inhib turret. Wards let me know exactly how many people were coming for me. If they sent 1 or 2 people to kill me I would catch them by surprise and kill them both. If they sent more than 2 then I would have time to make an escape and waste their time while they chased them, the frustration of trying to stop my pressure put them on tilt and they eventually gave up easiest wins ever.
You probably think that Yi is OP too.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5QWJQAxJ,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2015-10-07T20:32:01.627+0000)
Lol yes it does, warding is literally the easiest way to climb in low elo because no one else does it. If you are the only one warding that's vision you have over the enemy.
Wards are how I went from Bronze5 to Bronze3 in 2 days. I would just splitpush top as Nasus and ward the shit out of the adjacent jungle (trinket upgrade OP) and pretty much stay under their inhib turret. Wards let me know exactly how many people were coming for me. If they sent 1 or 2 people to kill me I would catch them by surprise and kill them both. If they sent more than 2 then I would have time to make an escape and waste their time while they chased them, the frustration of trying to stop my pressure put them on tilt and they eventually gave up easiest wins ever.
You probably think that Yi is OP too.
Okay, take last game I warded quite a bit. But guess what I had a team full of idiots who chased kills and lost. They did so many unnecessary things and we lost as a result. Also a Fiddle jg is absurd.
Warding means nothing if you have team that doesn't understand anything about it.
Daen4 votesWarding means nothing if you have team that doesn't understand anything about it.
Not warding guarantees that if you ever get a team that understands anything about it, they can't use it. You're basically closing off all your potential improvement options because they don't help in every single game, which is not how League of Legends works.
Lyless1 votesNot warding guarantees that if you ever get a team that understands anything about it, they can't use it. You're basically closing off all your potential improvement options because they don't help in every single game, which is not how League of Legends works.
You aren't dealing with logically people here. They have no clue.
Only Play Darius1 votesSo you get a team of idiots. Oh well, you can't win every game. Hell even Gosu loses the occasional game when he is smurfing in gold. Climbing isn't about winning the games where your team is inferior, it's about making sure you don't throw any of the games that you should statistically be a victory for you. And trust me no matter how bad your team is, they only play worse without wards.
Even if your teammates arent making use of your wards, you can always just ward for yourself and make sure you don't get baited into unfair fights. If you truly believe you have to carry yourself every game, then you would be warding so you can continue to make 1v1 picks and not get caught 3v1 and shutdown.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5QWJQAxJ,comment-id=001200000001,timestamp=2015-10-07T21:15:30.684+0000)
So you get a team of idiots. Oh well, you can't win every game. Hell even Gosu loses the occasional game when he is smurfing in gold. Climbing isn't about winning the games where your team is inferior, it's about making sure you don't throw any of the games that you should statistically be a victory for you. And trust me no matter how bad your team is, they only play worse without wards.
Even if your teammates arent making use of your wards, you can always just ward for yourself and make sure you don't get baited into unfair fights. If you truly believe you have to carry yourself every game, then you would be warding so you can continue to make 1v1 picks and not get caught 3v1 and shutdown.
Who is Gosu? I have also never threw game! NEVER! Like I said it won't work because they aren't good enough to take advantage of warding.
Onegarion1 votesLook i believe maybe 1% of what you are saying. Everything else just sounds like someone pushing the blame onto someone else. You are the pits of bronze. There is no way you are competent enough to carry your team. Get a replay up and then maybe well talk.
Lyless1 votesLook i believe maybe 1% of what you are saying. Everything else just sounds like someone pushing the blame onto someone else. You are the pits of bronze. There is no way you are competent enough to carry your team. Get a replay up and then maybe well talk.
You don't have to believe me. I know the truth and that's all that matters. I have carried my teams plently of times it doesn't matter. I can get to Bronze 4 it doesn't matter. Afks trolls and people who don't have a clue.
Fowus3 votesit helps in every elo
HexaDecimel2 votesUse wards to babysit lanes for you...pay attention to the map, and ping each time it spots an enemy.
EvilMerodach3 votesEven if it doesn't help them much that game. The cost of warding is low. (Unless you buy a lot of pinks early on.) And it's a good habit/practice to get into. It will help you improve overall and win more games than you currently are.
And 
is pretty much free anyway.
The real question is 'Is there any reason a low elo player should not be warding?'
Fiveofswords1 votesyes there is a reason. for one thing its not free, especially not sightstone. If you need to deal with dangerous stealth things then its probably better for you to get the sweeper. and last but not least if people on your team regularly make stupid yolo decisions like charging into crap outnumbered, its better to not show them that the enemy are at dragon.
oh and also, believe it or not, besides the gold cost of wards factor, there is indeed an intrinsic cost in placign the ward...sometimes you can put yourself in a risky situation to walk to the important wardign spot and place the wards, besides you are doing one thing at that moment rather than another. if you are supp and you go to ward dragon, your adc might very well die in your absence, or you might get caught by enemy jungler. it happens all the time.
the value of information is ZERO if your decisions would not change. Say you are adc in bot lane and a ward allows you to see that 4 ppl are doing dragon...great...you can either go try to stop them which REQUIRES help from jungler, supprot, and mid...and is a stupid mistake if they dont cooperate...or you can jsut keep farming like you would do even if they werent at dragon which is probably the correct decision. The ward only gave you a chance to blunder.
EvilMerodach3 votesyes there is a reason. for one thing its not free, especially not sightstone. If you need to deal with dangerous stealth things then its probably better for you to get the sweeper. and last but not least if people on your team regularly make stupid yolo decisions like charging into crap outnumbered, its better to not show them that the enemy are at dragon.
oh and also, believe it or not, besides the gold cost of wards factor, there is indeed an intrinsic cost in placign the ward...sometimes you can put yourself in a risky situation to walk to the important wardign spot and place the wards, besides you are doing one thing at that moment rather than another. if you are supp and you go to ward dragon, your adc might very well die in your absence, or you might get caught by enemy jungler. it happens all the time.
Yes, if there's a fed Vayne, get your 
and shut her down. But anti-warding/disabling stealth is still under the 'vision'/warding department.
Also, there's team warding and selfish warding. You're talking team warding, which, in low elo, will not pay off as much. (But should still be done as much as possible without putting yourself at risk.) Selfish warding is using wards to brush check for you while moving forward, and warding your immediate threat area while you're farming or shoving a lane out.
Even if you 100% ignore the 1st one, you can easily have 3 wards on the map 80% of the game past level 9 just spending 250gold on .
Brascus2 votesWhat does warding help?
This is just the tip 
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesIs it even possible for man to be this stupid?
Zone of Endless3 votesIs it even possible for man to be this stupid?
play ranked. Reach Diamond. Answer is yes.
Icestar11862 votesWow, a whole thread? For me? Thanks!
(Context: I posted a link to wardscore in his last troll thread. For the curious: here .)
ADepressedLeona2 votesWarding is key to winning the game. Period.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=Snowy Poro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5QWJQAxJ,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2015-10-07T20:55:31.347+0000)
Warding is key to winning the game. Period.
Teamwork is! Period.
Adrian Umbra1 votesI've won games as support in Silver simply because I bought sightstone and the enemy support didn't. I've won games because my wards keep me safe in top lane and Silver or Bronze junglers waste a bunch of time trying to camp me anyway. I've won games because by keeping smart wards in the enemy jungle, I know where they are and can play more aggressively or defensively based on that.
So don't try using the fact that wards go more unused at lower ELOs as an excuse not to ward. Your vision trinket is your friend. Use it and abuse it and you won't be in the lower ELOs where warding doesn't matter as much for very long. If you want to get better at this game, shut up and buy wards.
Lyless2 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Umbra,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5QWJQAxJ,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2015-10-07T14:37:11.618+0000)
I've won games as support in Silver simply because I bought sightstone and the enemy support didn't. I've won games because my wards keep me safe in top lane and Silver or Bronze junglers waste a bunch of time trying to camp me anyway. I've won games because by keeping smart wards in the enemy jungle, I know where they are and can play more aggressively or defensively based on that.
So don't try using the fact that wards go more unused at lower ELOs as an excuse not to ward. Your vision trinket is your friend. Use it and abuse it and you won't be in the lower ELOs where warding doesn't matter as much for very long. If you want to get better at this game, shut up and buy wards.
You missed the words "AS MUCH". I didn't say not to ward at all. You guys don't listen or read.
Adrian Umbra1 votesAnd you missed the part where I pointed out where warding saved me personally in these lower ELOs. My teammates sometimes didn't ward or pay attention for anything and that made my ability to provide vision so much more potent. Plus the above comment string about how little you personally ward got me a little salty. Because regardless of how much warding matters, you should still be warding more than your Bronze V teammates if you want to get out of there.
Lyless1 votesI don't think you guys get how bad the teams I get are.
Daen1 votesTake a break from ranked and play some games with a full premade team in either normal games or Ranked 5s. Try to find people at a higher rank than you for practice, so that you cut out the possibility of having these impossibly bad teams.
Lyless1 votesTake a break from ranked and play some games with a full premade team in either normal games or Ranked 5s. Try to find people at a higher rank than you for practice, so that you cut out the possibility of having these impossibly bad teams.
I am not practicing either. I am good enough to carry a decent team. What I can't carry is a bunch of noobs and bums. Why don't they go practice!
Daen2 votesI am not practicing either. I am good enough to carry a decent team.
Mmk, it's become clear that you are trolling at this point. If any professional player told a teammate that he/she was done practicing because he/she is good enough already, that person would probably get kicked off the team. Everyone practices, including the teams at Worlds, and efficient practice is actually the vast majority of what makes them good.
If you honestly think that you're perfect and don't need to practice, you are kidding yourself. I think we're done here.
Lyless1 votesMmk, it's become clear that you are trolling at this point. If any professional player told a teammate that he/she was done practicing because he/she is good enough already, that person would probably get kicked off the team. Everyone practices, including the teams at Worlds, and efficient practice is actually the vast majority of what makes them good.
If you honestly think that you're perfect and don't need to practice, you are kidding yourself. I think we're done here.
I never said I was perfect. I said, it's a waste of time for me to waste time practicing with the current players I have. I already have done that. I am not some noob and this is not a troll. I want to be the best this isn't about fun, it's about being the best. And just like a good player on an NBA Team I am being held back!
LadyRenly1 votesIt can be true. Many times I've faced an annie, go straight for sightstone/red, and annie never buys any wards and builds straight damage, and we get destroyed anyways.
The Queen Viper1 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
No, just no... never go "full retard" bro.
