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Mordekaiser's New ult and it's utility

Acemaster81··2 votes·2,706 views

There more I think about it, the more I feel this ultimate really lacks counterplay. When I think of an ability that removes a champion from the game temporarily, another ability comes to mind: Tahm Kench'es devour. However in my opinion Tahm Kench is more fair in how he goes about doing this, let me try to explain why.

Tahm Kench, from what I understand needs 3 stacks of his passive in order to devour an enemy champion. After that point, a symbol appears telling the victim that Tahm can eat them, removing them from the game before spitting them back out a short time later. Tahm Kench is a tank, and a melee champion. He has a ranged slow/ stun, a strong shield, but nothing else to close the gap between his target unless you count in items and runes. Because of these limitations, he can't easily walk up and instantly devour an squishy champion. Compared to Mordekaiser's reworked ultimate, this will force the enemy team to buy qss, Banshee's veil, or use a summoners spell. Sure, it's not exactly cast instantly and some champions have spellshields to keep him from using his ult, but why is it fair that just by picking morde the enemy team has to buy qss or play specific champions? What if he's the last pick in draft? Or the game is blind pick?

11 Comments

macspam1 votes

For starters they could remove the part where it removes all your pets and cancells all your in progress spells. Like if I'm playing zyra or Heimer and mord ults me, I'm just dead. Maybe I can survive with flash and Zhonyas but just maybe.

Acemaster811 votes

You're right, and those champions are countered the hardest by him. They do benefit from banshee's but not qss. Banshee's can only block 1 ability before being put on a reasonable cool down. A moredekaiser who knows what he's doing will wait until something else removes that spell shield effect.

Champion Skin1 votes

How is that any different from Malzahar this guy exists and if you are a melee champion you kind of have to buy QSS as there is generally no other way to avoid getting killed by Malzahar ultimate

If you are a ranged champion and can't 1v1 Mordekaiser you need to buy QSS (well most melee champions can't either but they might have enough durability to survive)

Acemaster811 votes

I can tell you, at least with Malzahar or Camille you aren't 100% cut off from your team, and they can be cc'd. Mordekaiser's ultimate denies you of that luxury, and if he uses it on a support or jungler their only way out is qss.

Edit: It even has a decent amount of range which can be extended from flashing. I don't think it's great that an ultimate can be so powerful it REQUIRES that your team buys a qss or lose an objective for the sole reason that Mordekaiser has his ult up, which I believe is much more powerful than either Camille or Malzahar for the sole reason your team can't interact with you.

Minimac20001 votes

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I can tell you, at least with Malzahar or Camille you aren't 100% cut off from your team, and they can be cc'd. Mordekaiser's ultimate denies you of that luxury, and if he uses it on a support or jungler their only way out is qss.

Edit: It even has a decent amount of range which can be extended from flashing. I don't think it's great that an ultimate can be so powerful it REQUIRES that your team buys a qss or lose an objective for the sole reason that Mordekaiser has his ult up, which I believe is much more powerful than either Camille or Malzahar for the sole reason your team can't interact with you.

Meh, if morde ults a jg or sup he probably already the fight

jocomotion1 votes

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There more I think about it, the more I feel this ultimate really lacks counterplay.

Let me stop you right there.

  • item 3140 : Not only provides an instant escape but gives MR to lower the damage he deals as well
  • Any cleanse will immediately break you out if the ult. Including but not limited to basic abilities like GP W, Empowered Rengar W, Olaf Ultimate.
  • Spell shields like Siver E, Banshee’s And Malzahar Passive block the ultimate
  • if you stealth during he short channel it goes on cooldown. He’ll you can walk into a brush and it’ll go on cooldown (which is pretty funny)
  • If you’re ranged and you’re caught out far enough for Morde to be able to walk up and get an Ult on you, you SHOULD be punished. On top of that since you’re ranged you can kite him since his Q is pretty telegraphed and it’s his only immediate damage source.
  • If he catches you in the DR and you have mobility you can kite him, and if he does so near walls you can just jump over one and wait.
  • Edit: I forgot one, as a slow Juggernaut, CC and it’s effectiveness is very VERY potent against Morde. Especially since his two main damage spells plant him in place for a considerably longer duration than most cast times on abilities. This just makes kiting him easier.

Every champion in the game has something they can do to at least fight against the death realm’s effects. If anything I’m surprised Riot implemented it with this much Counter play on release since most reworks recently start out the opposite, that being overtuned.

Acemaster811 votes

I say that it's that way because personally I think that imposing a qss tax on the entire team just by existing isn't fair in my eyes. I'm telling you his ult is worse in the context of a teamfight especially near an objective. Like I said, Malzahar doesn't cut you off from teammates and if you predict his ult you can escape it without qss with certain champions, if not you have your teammates and item 3140. Next is Camille who does knock away your teammates, but they are free to help you and you are still able to summoner 11 an objective. Mordekaiser on the other hand cuts you off from your teammates, so they can't save you, unless you use qss or are able to kill him quickly if he is low on health. Then you lose an advantage at the press of a button. Buying a qss I feel is more so a requirement for Moredezkaiser than for any other champion because of the death realm.

Though I did not think you could interrupt it by walking into a bush, he can still flash into the fight and ult.

Pika Fox1 votes

The counterplay to his ult is that it really doesnt do anything other than put you in a 1v1, same as shens ult in lane vs shen. Yeah, if he can 1v1 you, he can force it. If he cant 1v1 you, however, his ult just kills him.

Acemaster811 votes

I'm mostly using this in the context of a teamfight.

Pika Fox1 votes

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I'm mostly using this in the context of a teamfight.

Morde SUCKS at teamfighting. Like, top tier garbage sucks. He can boop someone out of existence.... But thats it. He cant kill them after 15 minutes, as they will either 1v1 him and win, or CC/Stay away from him. And the moment he pops out? Hes likely out of position and dead.

Acemaster811 votes

So basically he is an flashy ult bot? I don't hate Morde but I feel his rework could have been done so much better. I can't see it as a great ability for him to have because it's one of the few that are powerful enough to require the enemy team buy and item to render the champion useless.

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