It's time to discuss about Fiora fellas :D [Also a question for meddler!]

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A Rioter mentioned he will be doing a kit rework on Fiora long ago meaning she will have a brand new set of skills to make her more of a duelist OR he will only be changing certain skills but keep one or two of them.

If you guys were to create Fiora's kit to make her more of a Duelist, what would it be?

Question for Meddler: Status on Fiora and your opinion of her state?

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Teridax685 votes

I think a lot of Fiora 's current kit is pretty nice, or at least has a great core concept (Lunge is fun, the idea of parrying an attack is super sweet), but a lot of her could be replaced with much more interesting abilities. Her passive isn't particularly cool or useful to her role/theme, and her ult is just not fun to deal with (her E is sort of okay, but I'm not even sure if it needs to work as an active ability). I think Fiora needs to have a kit much more focused on moment-to-moment reaction and capitalization, so something closer to real fencing, and I think that would mean making her more cast-focused in a style similar to Riven , where each ability is a small parcel of power on a fairly short cooldown that can become really impactful if used at the right moment.

19 19 194 votes

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I think a lot of Fiora 's current kit is pretty nice, or at least has a great core concept (Lunge is fun, the idea of parrying an attack is super sweet), but a lot of her could be replaced with much more interesting abilities. Her passive isn't particularly cool or useful to her role/theme, and her ult is just not fun to deal with (her E is sort of okay, but I'm not even sure if it needs to work as an active ability). I think Fiora needs to have a kit much more focused on moment-to-moment reaction and capitalization, so something closer to real fencing, and I think that would mean making her more cast-focused in a style similar to Riven , where each ability is a small parcel of power on a fairly short cooldown that can become really impactful if used at the right moment.

tbh I find this an amazing idea if Fiora was were to have a kit like Riven where it's piece by piece.

Teridax681 votes

Here's a rough idea of what I think could be a kit for Fiora:

General: Probably nerfs to Fiora's early game damage (base AD, base attack speed) to allow better scaling on her abilities.

Passive - Master Fencer: Fiora's basic attacks deal 2% of her target's maximum health in physical damage, stacking up to 4 times. Stacks last up to 5 seconds.

Q - Lunge: Fiora dashes forth 600 units, stopping at the first enemy unit hit and dealing 10/20/30/40/50 (+ 100% AD) physical damage. Lunge applies on-hit effects and can critically strike, and its dash speed increases with Fiora's movement speed. Costs 50 mana. 8/7/6/5/4 second cooldown.

W1 - Parry: Fiora becomes immune to spells and basic attacks for the next 0.5 seconds. If she blocks at least one spell or basic attack from a champion or large monster, she can cast Riposte within the next second. No mana cost. 9/8/7/6/5 second cooldown.

W2 - Riposte: Fiora's next basic attack Disarms her target for 1 second, rendering them unable to attack. Disarm is reduced by Tenacity, and Riposte resets Fiora's basic attack timer.

E - Flèche: Fiora channels for 1 second, during which she strides towards the target area, attacking three times in front of her as she travels. Each attack deals 40/45/50/55/60% AD true damage, applies on-hit effects to the first enemy hit, and can critically strike for 50% extra damage. Blade Waltz's maximum range increases with Fiora's movement speed, and the channel completes 0.5% faster for every 1% bonus attack speed, up to a minimum of 0.5 seconds (the distance traveled and number of attacks remains the same) at 100% bonus attack speed. Costs 60 mana. 15/13/11/9/7 second cooldown.

R - Duel: Fiora challenges the target enemy champion to a Duel. During a Duel, Lunge and Flèche have their cooldown reduced by 75% if they damage her target, and Riposte will cause her to dash if used on the target, becoming untargetable in the process. Basic attacks score 1 point, and critical strikes score 2 points, and at 10 points Fiora ends the Duel with a coup de grace, dealing 250/375/500 (+ 125% bonus AD) magic damage, increasing by 1% for every 1% of the target's missing health for a maximum of 500/750/1000 (+ 250% bonus AD) magic damage. If Fiora does not land a basic attack against her target within 5 seconds when dueling them, the Duel is canceled. Costs 100 mana. 130/90/50 second cooldown.

Basically, the idea here is to turn her into an ability-based melee carry who commits to a single target (as a duelist should) and uses her abilities strategically for either damage or utility/mobility. She'd get small windows where she'd get to dodge or stop damage (Parry/Riposte), but overall she'd also give her opponent tons of opportunities to outplay her: thematically, she's really strong if you follow the rules of fencing with her (e.g. commit to a single target, attack, parry and press your opponent at the right moments), but she's bound to those rules, so as her opponent if you violate them (such as by stepping outside of her "piste" while she's channeling Blade Waltz, which is illegal in fencing, or just declining her challenge when she Duels you by keeping your distance) you'll gain a significant edge over her.

MAZZ1M05 votes

Super low cooldowns, but no instakill one-click pentas. All the abilities should be frequently accessible and using her should feel skill-based rather than item and stat based. Keep the W, everything else can be reworked. A backpedal before the Q lunge would be nice. Keep the Q to one lunge, she just backsteps or side-steps before doing so. It incentivizes waiting for a skillshot to counter. Whack them with AA's a maybe a E debuff, a critical strike or bleedout move. Something that gives you the edge in a fight. Activate W to block then ult which should be focused on a small area and chain to others only if the initial target is killed. As compensation for the conditional on the chaining, keep the damage on single target for the ult high.

Just some suggestions. :) Fiora's awesome anyway.

Lavaniel1 votes

That was actually a nice rework.

MAZZ1M01 votes

Thank you :3

Decaedeus1 votes

Instead of a backpedal on Fiora's Q, maybe a short untargetability frame during her Q animation?

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Instead of a backpedal on Fiora's Q, maybe a short untargetability frame during her Q animation?

I personally like Fiora's Q but I feel like they could do something special with Fiora that can be Similar to Riven's kit now. Like Riven's Q has a knock up in the end, for Fiora it could be that she can reduce the enemy's movement speed? Idk I just love that Idea of having her kit to be a Riven type of thing it fits so well on a Fencer xD Especially when you look at the vids you can actually see how the combos work.

Tis a nice day4 votes

I feel as if Fiora's Riposte could become a central element in making her more of a duelist.

In its current state (passive damage increase, block one AA and deal some damage), it's a rather plain ability on what originally should have been a fancy demonstration of skill that could quickly turn the tides of a fight.

One change idea that I've been holding for awhile is: Riposte ACTIVE: Fiora parries the next basic attack within 1.5 second dealing damage and slowing the movespeed and attack speed of the attacker. Attacks on enemy champions reduce the cooldown of this ability by 2 seconds. COOLDOWN: 10/9/8/7/6 -> 13/12/11/10/9 DAMAGE: same MOVESPEED AND ATTACK SPEED REDUCTION: 30%/35%/40%/45%/50%

tl;dr, make her parry do more than just putting out a bit of extra damage

TaylorGaylor2 votes

However, I do love this idea...

But, it would need to be more like

Riposte ACTIVE: Fiora parries the next basic attack (or ability) within .5 seconds. Successfully Parrying an attack reduces the cooldown of this ability by 1 second. COOLDOWN: 7/6/5/4/3

(Deals no damage, only blocks abilities or attacks.)

(Also, the ability would keep the passive attack damage increase.)

I feel like this would make her more of a "Fencer" without the ability becoming overpowered, which, I feel like that's what your changed version of it would do. Yes, Fiora is a fencer, and yes, we all want her to be a fencer but what you're saying right there is just too much. With my version, at max rank, she would be parrying an attack/ability every 2 seconds. This, coupled with her Burst of Speed and Lunge, she would would be darting all over the place and clinging her sword constantly. I feel like a Riposte doesn't need to deal damage, it just needs to be an "EN-GARDE!"! Also, a .5 sec time frame to block an ability/attack makes Riposte require more skill to play her, because you have to be more anticipative of the coming ability or attack, which in turn makes her more fun to play.

Tis a nice day1 votes

Yep, I like your idea a bit more.

19 19 193 votes

you guys should quote people so i can see who are you saying that has a nice idea xD

TaylorGaylor2 votes

No.

Stop.

Don't f'in think about.

Leave Fiora alone.

I love her just the way she is. She's perfect. And she's very powerful.

If you start trying to change her then she's only going to become weaker, don't you realize that??! Have you seen Riots reworks?? Just shut up about trying to change her because "she needs to be more of a fencer blah blah blah". She's fun as hell to play and talk like this is going to ruin her! Just close your mouth and accept her for what she is. That's what you do when you truly love something. You accept it. Stop thinking about changing her. Lots of people like her just the way she is now.

Duchess of Deer2 votes

this is why i don't want them to rework her, fiora holds a special place in my heart for being my first main i don't want my favorite french girl to be gutted

A Slime Appears2 votes

Exactly what this man says. They butcher the identity and kit of every champ they touch. Don't let them anywhere near Fiora. I'd take her being UP over Riot reworking her.

FoggyPaws2 votes

Make the dead guy on the ground helmet bro, and turn fiora around, and you've got a splash art

Leti the Yeti1 votes

we can make her even more fencer-like how bout that

19 19 191 votes

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we can make her even more fencer-like how bout that

that's what the Rioter wanted :P to make her more of a Fencer than a champion who just " goes in " basically not a kamikaze type of champion hah

360D3GR3SS1 votes

dat booty.

What Is Smite1 votes

Here's my kit rework for Fiora based on what they released as an Experimental Ultimate.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/XeWrjBHx-fiora-rework

xaadus creedus1 votes

I wanna see Fiora have her ult gutted, and have a low cooldown ult like Kog Maw or Swain, that does something like real fencers would do, there's already a Lune and a reposte So why not a ult that allows switching stances, sorta like Aatrox with his w or Jinx with her q or jayce with his R, Allow Fiora to change stances Giving her extra damage, or attack speed boost, and the switch itself activates a ability as well, like jayce switching to hammer form giving him a knockback It'll make Fiora more like a real fencer, giving her a unique gameplay which is a lot better than her current ultimate with no counterplay.

As for Fiora's Passive, I'm not really someone to suggest anything as its abit tricky on FIora, If anything keep Fiora's current passive but buff it 3x times its current stats and see what happens. Not aiming for a Garen type passive as that'll break Fiora into God Tier. But something like Nasus only less heals per attack

Oleandervine1 votes

Unfortunately for all of you who love her as is, the OP isn't the one who suggested a rework; Riot had said last year that they were on the process of working on her kit to streamline it, give it diversity, and make her less of a one trick ult pony. Of the pieces of her kit that will probably survive the rework, I believe her Q and R will most likely stay, though I think R will be tweaked to keep it from being a time bomb for OP exploitation.

ScoobyDooMoaning1 votes

Change her ult. There is a reason as to why she's called (fi-R-a).

Penguin Eclipse1 votes

Guinsoo had mentioned he was working on her rework last year. But there has been no word from him since then.

MAZZ1M01 votes

I believe she's not top priority. I recall a Rioter mentioning her recently on that subject. She's probably going to get her kit changed later this season.

19 19 191 votes

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I believe she's not top priority. I recall a Rioter mentioning her recently on that subject. She's probably going to get her kit changed later this season.

that's what I was wondering if they will do it at least by this summer

19 19 191 votes

meddler :(

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