Why are people so unpleasable?

Paquay··18 votes·1,387 views

Why does it seem like people are always so damn unsatisfied with everything?

People scream for X, X, and X to be nerfed for being OP, and for Y, Y, and Y to get buffs. Then when it happens, nobody cares about those changes and instead start bitching about how Z, Z, and Z were untouched.

Is there something in the water here that makes people only bitch about imbalance and not appreciate the work that goes into it?

Is it just one of those things where the players that are fine with everything are quietly content and we're really just hearing a minority complain? I am genuinely curious because it seems like whenever there are new patch notes everyone hopes on and freaks out about what's NOT being done, but nobody wants to appreciate the changes that are done.

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Mecha MaIphite7 votes

Presumably it's different people screaming. You only ever see the people that are unhappy with what's going on, because the people who are fine with it don't have a reason to complain.

And because circlejerk = upboats.

Paquay4 votes

It's winter... Too cold for upboats, downboats, or anything in between. I could use a nice upyacht though.

Anidan1 votes

I dunno, FalconPawwwwwnch and a few others kinda just complain about any given thing in any meta - especially if it impacts top lane in some way, no matter what it is (not saying there haven't been drop-dead stupid things done to that lane, but it's far from the only one). Some other people will just complain until the game is their vision of balance rather than what Riot wants but instead of trying to give any sort of suggestions that Riot could actually roll with they just berate the company and provide nothing constructive because that takes effort they aren't willing to impart for something that they imply means something to them since they're posting about it at all, whereas Falcon and Friends will at least sometimes give suggestions that are actually constructive.

Ralanr6 votes

You're asking a pretty big philosophical question there buddy.

Paquay2 votes

Touché. I guess it's a little too philosophical since you'll never be able to get a truly accurate gauge on each individual update. Sure you could look at the long term things like play rates and stuff like that, which all seem to indicate Riot is making positive changes but whenever I come here, it seems like 90% of the boards is constant complaining.

Unfortunately it seems like a lot of players don't understand outliers and are too quick to jump on the complaint bandwagon. (Garen spun a million times and beat our team, he's too OP!) or (Veiger has 46k AP, such a toxic champ and Rito's too dumb to fix him).

Guess I'm just glad balancing heavily relies on data and not so much on subjective analysis.

Ralanr3 votes

Here's the simple truth: people, no matter the situation, will fine something to complain about. Even you're complaining about people complaining.

It's just in our nature. Best not to get hung over about it. Sounds defeatist I know, but some battles aren't worth fighting.

Paquay1 votes

I don't think it sounds defeatist, but rather, realistic. Thanks man and I hope you have fun in game. Good luck to ya!

Kaioko4 votes

Although a thread saying good job with the patch notes would surely be appreciated; what point would it have exactly? It's like if I went on my PBE account and just reported things to Riot that worked correctly and not those that didn't -- it serves no purpose whatsoever.

Sckullzz1 votes

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Although a thread saying good job with the patch notes would surely be appreciated; what point would it have exactly? It's like if I went on my PBE account and just reported things to Riot that worked correctly and not those that didn't -- it serves no purpose whatsoever.

False... Reporting things that do work is suuuper critical. Who does Riot know what to leave alone? How do you know what not to touch if you get zero feedback on it?

WoonStruck2 votes

Riot doesn't listen balance-wise 90% of the time.

They just continue driving the game downhill.

Sckullzz1 votes

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Riot doesn't listen balance-wise 90% of the time.

They just continue driving the game downhill.

lol go read all the posts where they brought back solo queue, nerfed the jung so you couldn't be lvl 3 when lanes were still lvl 1, all the videos when they thank players for feedback... they can't make changes instantaneously. They have to collect and review data. Just because they don't make a decision that YOU want doesn't mean they don't listen.

WoonStruck1 votes

So you think them implementing a bad system then removing it is a net-positive? No, its negative because it wasn't necessary and shouldn't have happened in the first place.

You think them needlessly fucking up the jungle every season and re-adjusting it is a net-positive? No, they fucked everything up in the first place; jungle meta is still worse than previous seasons, even afk farm from last season.

Sckullzz1 votes

And that is your opinion. Just make sure not to confuse it with facts.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

*brought back duo Q After promising a REAL soloQ which we wanted since 5 seasons and shoving dynamic garbage down our throats fucking up the ranked ladder until this day+ autofill because they refuse to remove this trash ass flex Q

GigglesO4 votes

Because in 7 seasons, this is the least fun I've had playing the game...

WoonStruck1 votes

troo fax

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

You're pretty spot on tbh.

HudnofskiBleh3 votes

Sorry mate, but someone is always going to be unsatisfied with something. With so many types of humans playing this game, Riot won't be able to satisfy everyone.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

if you watch this ... you will understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE

Kukan Seishin1 votes

This is so true

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i miss that show... one of my favorite of all time lol

Tattersall3 votes

First, I haven't read through all the comments, so I don't know if someone has already said this.

With that out of the way, here are my tencents. I've found two things in my time here playing Lag of Legumes, the first being this: The community as a whole isn't actually super toxic or too unreasonable, it's just that the toxic/unreasonable people are the loudest. So it's not that everyone is unpleasable, it's just that if someone is unpleased they get really loud about it. If something happens and they become pleased, they'll probably just stay silent (on the boards, anyway).

The second thing I found, which I now believe to me a universal constant is this: #People like their stuff. Like, when Riot announced that they were getting rid of item sets, there was a massive outcry (that I took part in). Even though Riot said that, statistically, not many people use item sets, people were still angry. Look, I trust Riot when they say that not many people use item sets, why would they lie? But still, I like my stuff. I understand why Riot is getting rid of item sets, and I understand that I'm a member of the minority, albeit loud minority, but I like my stuff. People will always like their stuff, and people will always lash out when they think that their stuff is in danger.

But that's just my tencents.

Psybicilin2 votes

I just go with the flow. Don't get the point of people bitching so much

Moooose32 votes

People get mad at riot when their champ is weaker and others are busted, but when their own champ is op they magically stop complaining. Everybody wants to be in the best possible situation to climb ladder. Humans are greedy. It's simple.

Elikain2 votes

People are never able to be pleased because they simply don't want to get better at this game. Because if something's beating their asses, it's never because they might not know how to fight against it. It's 100% Riot's fault that champion even exists in that shape or form, perhaps nerfing it down to becoming a single cell organism will do the trick.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and if you argue this at all in the QQ post of whatever champ or situation you are seen as a troll and get flak for trying to offer reason and logic to play around a champ

its just one be circle jerk of tears

Elikain2 votes

Because those QQ posts don't ever attract people with reason. They attract like-minded individuals who want to complain for the sake of complaining and if you are on their turf, they basically control if you're upvoted or downvoted. What should one person absolutely not care about in this place is whether they are liked or disliked. What should matter is only proper feedback, regardless if it hurts someone's feelings or not.

Looking at this problem from the other player's perspective, if that Yasuo is so toxic to you and you want him removed so that you can play games where you don't want to think with your own head, the other player can do the same thing for your champion of choice and have a valid argument to impede your mastery and satisfaction. Then we come to a point where no champion in League is allowed to exist because someone can always find themselves offended by something.

WoonStruck2 votes

Because the entire game is fucked up right now.

There's a lot to be unsatisfied with.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

It's partly due to each person's experience with the game and what they think is really good/really annoying. While one person may find a champ annoying due to certain mechanics, another person might actualy enjoy those mechanics. it's because of how each of us experience something different when playing this game that, as a community, can not agree if something is one way or the other. For example, if Azir got nerfed next patch, most people would not like it, Azir mains especially since they are going to have a harder time. But there would still be some people who would ether be happy about those nerfs or even demanding more nerfs cause they keep getting dominated by Azir players. As to why the complaint threads get the most upvotes, you'd have to ask a psychology major or someone like that, but I think it has something to do with the victim mentality. If nothing else, I believe I've been seeing more positive posts getting to the front page then I've seen in back when I first started playing.

SrbLud1 votes

The man, the Boy, and the Donkey.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I think that was one of the Chronicles of Narnia.

SrbLud1 votes

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I think that was one of the Chronicles of Narnia.

It's an old Aesop fable.

The moral of it is: You can't satisfy everyone.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Okay yeah I was thinking about the horse and his boy. It's different and I realize that now.

Azure Hamster1 votes

If you look at posts on these boards that get a lot of upvotes, it's in the low hundreds. A high number of views is a few thousand.

For a game played by millions of people.

The people active on the boards are a very small portion of the userbase.

Caitlyn

Derfel1 votes

I don't know why do you like the smell of penises? Mysteries of life.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

it's simple, humans will never agree, no matter what there will always be at least one outlier

Truly Prideful1 votes

This is how basically any online game works. Someone will always be crying about something and once that something is nerfed a new group will cry about a new thing. It generally follows a nice little cycle so everyone gets a chance to cry unless you're one of those people just there to actually play the game.

Teridax681 votes

Literally every game forum is like this. People go on Boards to give feedback when they're unhappy with something, not so much when they're satisfied, which to anyone browsing here creates the impression that nobody enjoys playing the game, even if the opposite is more true.

That much is fine, though: Gameplay is intended to be a place for players to point out issues within League, try to provide as much information as to what the problem is, and work towards drawing up potential solutions, and more generally to work with Riot to improve their game and give a pulse on its current state. The problem, though, is that the culture on Gameplay is so toxic, hyperbolic and generally noisy that the board only rarely ends up contributing positively, which is why there's now a separate Dev Corner for Riot to talk about issues, and Nexus articles for them to share their design philosophy. Part of the problem is that forums in general tend to stagnate and develop their own group mentalities over time, since the most influential players there tend to be the ones that stay there the longest and produce the most posts, but another big issue is that Gameplay was mostly abandoned by Riot themselves since the creation of Boards: with proper curating, more reliable developer input and a few changes to posting mechanics (removing the voting system here, for example, just like on GD, as it's abused more often than not), there'd be a much healthier overall atmosphere here, one that might even encourage Riot to post here more regularly and communicate more with their playerbase, but so far none of that has been implemented, in part because Riot's own philosophy of player communication (i.e. insisting on having developers talk directly to players, with no intermediaries) has prevented them from doing so.

The TL;DR to all this is that video game feedback forums aren't innately conducive to positivity, and in an environment where players essentially have to compete with each other for attention on the issue they care about (also upvotes, one of the many reasons why the voting system is broken), feedback just naturally devolves into hyperbole and shitposts, with little room for positivity. As much as the community here truly does need to change its attitude somewhat, that's not going to happen on its own, and Riot needs to put in work as well to improve the Gameplay board.

Spice POWAH1 votes

well, i'd say it's a lot of saltwater.

there are a lot of complaints because of like, what, at least 1000 people posting at once? there are also a lot of people who just don't like champions

earlier I thought people only still banned zed because of PTSD from when he dominated midlane, thought i'm not sure how common he is with the lethality buffs now

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