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Please reconsider your stance on Bard as a support.

Tuckerr··5 votes·864 views

Hi, my name is Tuckerr, and I got to play Bard on the PBE recently, and I took him jungle and firmly believe that's where he belongs. Let's review in order of ability.

If his abilities were different, I would say that his passive is the strongest argument in favor of keeping him out of botlane, but his E and W exist so I can't. The chimes that spawn around the map really spawn everywhere. Everywhere. When I let too many of them sit around, they began showing up in the enemy jungle, in the dragon pit, and in the other lanes. In fact, I ganked top specifically because of how many were up there. They increase your movespeed and give you exp to compensate for the fact that his clear is relatively slow.

His Q is probably his most useful overall ability. You can stun Gromp, the raptors, blue buff, everything with it. It helps to make up for his relative lack of sustain (I'm getting to his W in a minute, don't worry), and in ganking it means he has a decent initiation, and is even resistant to invades so long as your team responds.

His W is fantastic in the jungle, but it doesn't keep him at full health, which, imo, is good. It means there is some risk and that the enemy team can actually deal with him. As a slow but reliable jungler with lots of utility, this ability really adds depth in that if you can predict an invade, you can be prepared and trick the enemy into chasing you, whereupon you'll stun them and go to town.

Now, even with his passive, I would definitely say his E is his strongest argument for making him primarily a jungler. He has better gank paths than Zac and Lissandra if you somehow combined their E's into one super broken ability, and it opens up escape routes without entirely eliminating the danger posed by invading or being ambushed.

His R is an ability I'm still wary of, and it needs to have its range brought way down, but you've basically given the best tower-diving ability in the game to someone who you've insisted should be confined to the lane least likely to be dove on at any given time.

Now let's talk about botlane mechanics. An ADC is the squishiest person on the team. They're the only class that gets penalized for building defensively early, even when they're losing. A carry has to be supported throughout the entire game, but especially so during the early-mid game. The only elo where it's actually viable for the support to frequently roam at is essentially the LCS level, where both supports will leave lane for extended periods of time, and that's only when the enemy bottom lane is actually in the top lane, as far away from eachother as can be. At every other level of play, a roaming support means a headache for the entire team. If he goes mid and misses his stun, or gets ganked along the way, that's a huge loss not only for him but for his carry as well. Once you've given up an advantage like that, it's very rare that you come back from it. And if he stays in lane, he's penalized for not getting his chimes. It's the worst possible combination. If he leaves lane to roam, his carry could die, he could die, or just as bad, he could waste everyones time.

But in the jungle, he'd be rewarded for collecting chimes, his E would actually have practical applications aside from escaping from a bad fight, and there would just simply be more depth in gameplay.

At the very least, please, please don't do to him what you did to jungle Alistar. If you're going to push him as a support, at least try to leave the option of jungling available. I promise you, people are going to have more fun and enjoy playing with, as, and against him as a jungler than as a support.

7 Comments

pE4CbxDPQO2 votes

Ah you made the Alistar plea before I could say "inb4 alistar treatment" Pretty neat. Will keep my eye out for this.

Tuckerr1 votes

It's honestly my biggest fear. I'm not even a jungle main, but I can say this: He's super fun in the jungle, and has all sorts of utility for his team.

DynamiteGazelle1 votes

That's what I thought when I saw him, too. Seems like much more of a utility jungler, but then again roaming supports are kind of a new thing and it seems like he would fit that role too.

If I took him jungle I'd probably want a support who can do damage (annie/vk) and a tanky top.

Tuckerr1 votes

Absolutely. And I honestly don't believe that roaming supports are here to stay. I think the meta will eventually shift away from them, and if that's his only gimmick, he's not going to be able to compete. Hell, if you lose lane (Which you probably will, he doesn't really offer anything outside his stun to win a lane, and even in that regard he gets outclassed by just about everyone), your ganks are going to be terrible to begin with. And that's not to mention the bad players who are just going to roam at the 4 minute mark and die when they run into the enemy jungler killing the crab.

DynamiteGazelle2 votes

I think roaming supports are fine, and even quite useful, but the problem is you definitely need a premade to pull one off. So solo q-ers will probably take him jungle, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see him support in the higher echelons of league

Tuckerr1 votes

That's a fair point, but I'm also not arguing the usefulness of roaming supports. We've seen them before, remember. In season 1 that's essentially what a support was meant to be, was someone who wandered around and ganked without clearing jungle camps. It got phased out around the time the Support-ADC botlane was established for the same reason why it's not a super popular thing right now: Leaving the most vulnerable person on your team to contend with two people, one of whom deals roughly the same amount of damage as your ADC, and the other who brings either CC or yet more damage just means that you lose the lane pretty quickly. The reason why it's so popular in very high elo and the LCS is because when a support roams, typically they're on the opposite side of the map from their counterpart, and only to try out a single gank.

It's effective mostly because you don't expect to see a Thresh come out of nowhere to hook you from the brush, but with Bard, who has been marketed as only doing that, you can expect to see the enemy jungler lighting up the river with wards nearly 100% of the time so he can countergank and even ambush him on the way there. Bard support is very squishy, and even post-6 doesn't have the tools necessary to properly deal with being ganked alone. At least jungle bard would be a bit more dangerous to approach, plus he can run around getting chimes to power his meeps.

Tuckerr1 votes

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