Zin Xhao, overpowered or no?

Atuko··18 votes·1,899 views

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360D3GR3SS13 votes

Why the heck would you even down vote him. There is NO reason at all to downvote him. He asked a question and whoever down voted him did not answer ANYTHING or contribute ANYTHING to the conversation.

Evil Jester2 votes

He contributed nothing to the body, he just wrote "discuss."

Hibeki1 votes

What people don't realize, is downvote buttons are for "This post is spam or does not contribute to the topic"

Not "I disagree, fuck you" button.

BastionKross7 votes

He's got very simple mechanics like Garen, but unlike Garen, Xin is strong enough to be a decent pick.

His passive is basically a weaker version of a item 3035 that the entire team can benefit from. Strong, but simple to use. His Q and W are auto attack modifiers, giving Xin extra damage, a knockup, reduced CDs, a heal, and attack speed to proc all that quicker. Strong, but simple to use. His E is a targeted, instant gapcloser that also slows. Strong, but simple to use. His R is like a Gragas ult that's centered on himself and will ignore the target you're currently attacking so you don't end up pushing away someone you'd rather stayed nice and close. Strong, but simple to use. (Seeing a pattern here yet?)

However, his weaknesses are very devastating to him. If you stop his auto attacks with a stun, or a blind, or a fear, or being Jax, then Xin really has nothing. Also, when Xin goes in with his E, there's no escape or retreat. When you're in, you're in. So if the fight starts to go south, Xin is probably going to die. High risk, high reward.

All in all, he's a champion that's pretty easy to pick up and play, and can be a strong pick, but is difficult to master. A trend that a few other members of the roster should look into being.

Laughing Fish2 votes

Garen > XinZhao.

Sir Wellington3 votes

Xin's mechanics ARE simple like BastionKross stated, but there's enough tricks in his kit to pull off some fancy maneuvers that can turn around games. If an enemy champ is juust outside dash range, he can dash to a nearby minion if available and still hit them with the slow, because it's AoE.

While it's hard to pull off, a Flash + E + R combo is one of the deadliest initiates in the game, because it isolates a high priority target like Xin's ult is supposed to do, but since you flashed behind the enemy team, you knock them right into your own team's lap.

You can also flash immediately after you cast your ult, since it has a slight cast time. If you're standing near your turret and roughly within 200 range of an enemy champ, you can ult+flash behind them to instantly knock them into your turret.

Also, don't underestimate his mobility and CC lategame. Everyone says he falls off lategame, which is simply not true. His damage falls off if you're building him properly, but when you reach the 40% cdr cap his E is on a 6 second cooldown, not even counting his manual 3 second cd after Q. In many extended teamfights where I wasn't focused down, I was able to get my EQ combo off 3-4 times this way.

Giovarco2 votes

He's an early game jungler like Lee Sin. He's strong, but not OP. Somwhow he falls off late game because he can't build full damage, if he's the engager. He's normally builded tanky ad, so he can start teamfight and at the same time deal great damage. You can build also ASAP on him. I really like item 3124 + item 3115 Xin Zhao.

Laughing Fish2 votes

I wouldn't say so. I would have to say Darius is the most OP champ currently imo.

ZeroAnarchy1 votes

If you really think Darius is the most OP champ..then I don't really know what to tell you...

Darius sucks.

Teridax682 votes

No, just super simplistic. Two of his abilities are steroids, one is a point-and-click dash, his ultimate is easy to aim, and his optimal pattern mostly involves just using every ability at once. What this usually means is that, if he gets ahead, he can kill you fairly reliably, but if he falls behind he has trouble catching up because he has no real fallback pattern (he plays the same regardless of how far ahead or behind he is). This also makes him extremely predictable, which is why he isn't as popular in higher elo. He's very good at what he does, but he mainly does just one thing.

N3mO061 votes

For me the only thing which is overpowered in his kit is the early damage of his q. In a game he made me 450 damage at liv2 with only q spell which is also a knockup..... Threeshotter

Chessburger1 votes

Probably a death recap bug. There is no way he did that much. If I remember correctly Q adds about 30 damage to 3 of your auto attacks and the last one is a knockup. So basically the Q does 90 more damage than 3 of his autoattacks would do.

Sir Wellington1 votes

It wasn't a bug. His Q is an autoattack modifier, so the damage listed is the Q damage PLUS the autoattacks it modified.

Chessburger1 votes

That's exactly what I said. My point was that the Q did 90 damage (pre armor reduction) while in reality he got a good 5 - 7 autos on you to do the 450 damage. I don't know what you were playing and what happened but that is a lot of autoattacks you let an early game duelist do to you.

Ale non è male1 votes

Balanced, secretely OP vs certain match-ups (when Yasuo wasn't nerfed yet Xin was probably one of the main counters that no one cared to pick against him), completely useless in other situations or when your team is really behind

RyuPhalian1 votes

Xin is very strong early to mid where it's more 1v1 or 2v2. He is a strong duelist and has very good early damage. Though he isn't as strong as J4 since he is relatively strong early game but doesn't fall off in damage as badly as Xin does. So Xin is better if you can kill the enemy early and gain a strong early lead but it's a risk/reward thing since he is a very much "All In" champion. Once he's in the fight he has to dedicate to it while more popular junglers have some way to get out if things turn bad. He can work but somewhat reliant on certain team comps like a top lane Shyvana or Jax, Oriana Mid, Jinx ADC, and Braum/Thresh support.

Bottom line, High Risk/ High Reward, High levels of fun, above average as he can survive the jungle, and a fun excuse to sing "I'll Make a Man Out of You."

Narasimha1 votes

Honestly, if you have to ask this, you weren't here for the terror that was Release Zin Xhao. Someone pull up a video of it while I go repress my trauma.

junglerboy161 votes

Firstly, either you are dyslexic (which is fine), you honestly don't know how to spell his name (which is weird considering you made a thread about him), or you purposefully changed the Z and the X (which is just annoying).

Rant aside, I would say Xin zhao is in a strong and healthy spot right now. The jungle currently favors champs who have sustain and gank power. Xin has both in moderately high quantities, which is what makes him good right now. He is not OP though, because his damage falls off late game if he isn't building assassin (and he actually blows up really fast if built assassin), and he transitions into a team fight bruiser. He doesn't scale really hard off of anything, but he is pretty strong early. He is simple to play, but also simple to counter play because he is so AA centric. I think it is good to see him making a comeback as a good jungler, but he isn't the strongest out there and isn't breaking the game for any other champions, so he is fine where he is.

Atuko1 votes

{quoted}

Firstly, either you are dyslexic (which is fine), you honestly don't know how to spell his name (which is weird considering you made a thread about him), or you purposefully changed the Z and the X (which is just annoying).

Or maybe I just made a mistake in the title?

junglerboy161 votes

Well, there is that too. I was trying to make a joke, but rereading it, it came out rude instead of funny. My bad.

Jalkan1 votes

Xin Zhao is not overpowered as of the moment.

shahed1541 votes

xin zhao is just op period

Hibeki1 votes

It ain't just xin zhao, he just has all the perks you currently need to surivive in the jungle

Exploit on hits [x] Sustani [x] Knock up (Best cc in the game) [x] Attack speed steroid [x] Waveclear [x] Gap closer [x]

Any on hit jungler with at least three of these does too well in the jungle.

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