Why are ADC's allowed to still build Black Cleaver?

PHD Dunk··3 votes·2,496 views

Correct me if im wrong but Miss fortunes ult Shreds through armor cause of item 3071 and it doesnt seem fair that this item is better on ADC's than most Melee champs due to their weaknesses and such So some ideas that some others might have said already but im not aware of

  1. Make the stacks double for Range champs (I believe its 6 stacks for the full %) That way if adc's will build this, they're forced to build Attack Speed items like Phantom dancer or Runnans Hurricane to get the full effect of the cleaver
  2. Make Black Cleaver melee only (Easy one, simplier to balance for Melee champs?)
  3. Like with recent changes like Caitlyn and Next Kennen, they removed multiple stacks from using hurricane as it stacked e.g Headshot really quick. Make it so Black Cleaver doesnt stack on Certian abiltities/Passives or whatnot

I know im not big on the boards or popular here, but for adcs to be decently tanky and deal more damage post mid game than most Melee or normal AD carries that build crit an takes time to deal damage? Doesnt seem fair to me

but this post is my opinion on it, as a Darius main myself, i wouldnt want Black Cleaver to get nerfs cause of ADC Abusers (Cough item 3053 though they fixed that item)

Thanks for reading!

14 Comments

xelaker3 votes

there's no option 4. Stop complaining

PHD Dunk4 votes

Forgot to put Option 5. Stop being a dick and put criticism instead

xelaker2 votes

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Forgot to put Option 5. Stop being a dick and put criticism instead

cry harder kiddo

Colton1473 votes

If ADCs aren't allowed to build "melee" items, then melee champions (Yasuo, Tryndamere, etc.) should not be allowed to build any crit items or be allowed to crit on any of their autos/abilities. It is only fair. ;)

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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If ADCs aren't allowed to build "melee" items, then melee champions (Yasuo, Tryndamere, etc.) should not be allowed to build any crit items or be allowed to crit on any of their autos/abilities. It is only fair. ;)

yasuo and tryndamere are designed as melee adc with the option of building these items in mind. their kits are built around the idea to buy the same items as marksmen.

cleaver is an item that is specifically designed for bruisers (and an off item for assassins) with a mechanic to make it as ineffective as possible on marksmen. at least this was the idea before they added marksmen like lucian into the game. its why the stacking mechanic applies to physical spell damage. the original idea was that marksmen would take way longer to build up cleaver stacks on their opponents with auto attacks than champions like Garen Renekton Pantheon

hence making the item way less effecive on ranged carries.

morello always had the problem that when they tried to design a melee ad caster item, that ranged carries might abuse it against the same champions the item was designed for, and this was his solution.

it was supposed to help immobile bruisers to stick to their enemies once they made it into melee range, and add team synergy with the armor shred.

it was not designed for marksmen to help them kite these bruisers even better than they already are and armor shred entire teams from a distance, and robbing these fighters of their nieche.

this design obviously didnt hold up over time, since new marksmen were added who can pick up cleaver without drawback, and other marksmen changed to be able to pick up the item more easily in combination with lethality builds.

huge difference. and it does make sense to adjust the item now so marksmen cant pick it up anymore, like it was originally intended.

Rexxiee2 votes

Except BC is also overpowered on melees including darius.

The item needs to be nerfed overall, it needs 10% cdr cut from it it gives far too many stuff for to little cost.

Assassins and adcs build it because the item is broken, if it wasant they wouldnt build it.

fuffychan2 votes

How about Option 4: None of the above and stfu?

PHD Dunk1 votes

so lets allow ADC's to take over and nerf items because they abuse it? cough Dorans shield Cough Steraks Cough maybe give me ideas instead of being rude fellow summoner

BigBellBrute1 votes

Because it's a magic cleaver able to make Bullets better, arrows better, sewer sludge better, feathers better, and whatever else adcs use.. That's why.

Archlord Aatrox1 votes

I don't build it whenever I play ADC, I personally think the armor pen builds, like when everyone ran lethality on MF and Jhin, are bad

rtbf2216514121 votes

So we can have Ashe support.

PHD Dunk1 votes

Im secretly ok with this dont tell anyone shes my bae

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

cuz then can

black clever is still been nerfed and was done so with the tank item rework when they lowered the % per stack from 5% to 4% and they also lowered the ad to 40 ad on the item prior to it and before that changed the build path to make it not worth

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