Shaco rework is too weak

markö·Nov 4, 2016·10 votes·1,929 views

The new shaco rework is terrible.Current shaco is weak because of oracles and pinks,he has no cc or waveclear.But now they nerfed him to the ground and they call that a rework.Sad.Other champs that got reworked are op , i mean talon can lvl 3 oneshot people but shaco has 1 sec inviz lvl 1 and thats op.Yes shaco does no dmg yes shaco is useless but he can go inviz!!!!!!!!!!HE CAN GO INVIZ!!!Like who are we kidding here.Guess leauge is not the fun game it used to be anymore.

10 Comments

KeepeNov 4, 20167 votes

What makes it ironic was the context Riot gave.

"Shaco could REALLY use some love. That being said, we're nerfing his early game."

Meaning the only part of the game where he's really relevant.

The Bearded BardNov 4, 20161 votes

Shaco being bad late game is honestly a myth. If he's ahead, there's very little you can do about him killing your squishies. If he's behind, there's very little you can do about him taking your towers. Good Shaco players always have options.

KeepeNov 4, 20166 votes

Allow me to clarify, and I do apologize. (Love your name, by the way.)

Shaco does not really do well come late game in regards to team fights. If he's ahead, late game, he can set up traps and what not to prepare to ambush in sieges. (Support: I WAS JUST TRYING TO WARD!) He is an excellent pusher, though, due to how slippery he can be, but because it's very hard for him to have an active presence in team fights, the team needs to make up for that.

In short, Shaco as he is now is the embodiment of the "Feast or Famine" playstyle for the most part. Hurting his early without much in the way of compensation late, in the opinion of many, hurts him as a whole.

That being said, I am on the fence with the changes. I don't really know how to take them just yet. However, I can understand the concern that players have with it.

The Bearded BardNov 4, 20162 votes

I see what you mean, and I agree that an assassin being pushed into splitpushing to be viable is very lame.

But here's the biggest Shaco buff you're missing; pinks no longer reveal him. So until level 9, there is literally nothing you can do about his stealth, and even at level 9, there's no way to autoattack him while he's stealthed. That's why, as a Shaco main, I'm okay with them heavy nerfing his early game stealth.

Also, thanks! I love my name, too haha

Psi21Nov 5, 20167 votes

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I see what you mean, and I agree that an assassin being pushed into splitpushing to be viable is very lame.

But here's the biggest Shaco buff you're missing; pinks no longer reveal him. So until level 9, there is literally nothing you can do about his stealth, and even at level 9, there's no way to autoattack him while he's stealthed. That's why, as a Shaco main, I'm okay with them heavy nerfing his early game stealth.

Also, thanks! I love my name, too haha

Wait you are a Shaco main you don't know about the poof of orange smoke that can even be seen in the fog of war.

And what about the control ward that disables your traps? https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-AL2PPCD6tms/WBO1RikSXnI/AAAAAAAA_dI/b_T-S0_wGJELzTAjasHMfeZlliQxqGTAwCLcB/s1600/ghdgfg.jpg

I don't think you are seeing how seriously Shaco got nerfed in all parts of the game. The metrics are everywhere. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/gaI1EkEE-shaco-nerfs-to-harshe-at-all-points-of-gameplay-with-math-proof?show=flat

Backstab passive no longer works with E. Prior to changes, E dealt more damage when landing from behind, courtesy of his passive. Not anymore.
The AP increase damage to Deceive is nice, however, AP Shaco uses Deceive more to get away than to attack with. IE... Mage Shaco doesn't go all in burning his escape.
His E base damage got reduced by half and is now an execute. The thing is, as Shaco your job is to hunt for squishies which don't have lots of hp to scale with your E. The old way of Q into E into hydra etc. won't work as well now because E base damage got lowered and the missing hp won't help that much due to squishies not having hp in the first place.
His boxes can no longer stack. This tremendously damages his clear in the jungle as two boxes at Krugs and two boxes at Red stacked up no longer works. The new jungle also kills him with all the mini Krugs spawning to ruin the set up.
The ult changes now with the clone dropping 3 boxes are nice, but they're not amazing. Not nearly enough to make up for the losses. In a teamfight with all the AoEs thrown around, these mini boxes with rapidly decaying hp won't even last 2 seconds.
The BIGGEST mistake is making his Q scale. Now it's down to 1.5 second and now scales. 1.5 second is not enough for jungle Shaco to reposition or invade or anything. 1.5 second, rendering the ability almost useless. They didn't even get rid of the poof of orange smoke you can see even in the fog of war with this change.
Jungle Shaco is now forced to upgrade Q for the extra invisibility at the cost of having less damage and burst from maxing E.
His E no longer slows monsters' attack speed in the jungle, further killing his jungle clear.
Boxes now have scaling hp, this further hurt Shaco's jungle clear due to having less hp at the start. Jungle monsters can kill them easier.

The blinding problem is that Shaco of all the assassin rework is the weakest. Even Alkali is getting buffed to be better than him on PBE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zq2epjwbcQ&feature=youtu.be&t=8m13s

Riot Devs don't have a clue on balancing this game and Riot already admitted their research material was Pinkwards videos, when it came to reworking Shaco. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ietEMFIk-what-shacos-ult-could-become?comment=0000000000020001

And Pinkward goes so far as to review Shaco's rework to express he is flattered and honored by it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Low1cxHW2RE&feature=youtu.be&t=5m50s

The rework Shaco is as bad a Morde's rework

SaladSavior215Dec 12, 20164 votes

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Shaco being bad late game is honestly a myth. If he's ahead, there's very little you can do about him killing your squishies. If he's behind, there's very little you can do about him taking your towers. Good Shaco players always have options.

they nerfed him completely and now hes useless unless you're skilled, even if you are playing shaco is no longer fun and someone brought up a point about shaco getting his early game nerfed so now there is no way to go good late game and now there is no chance you can go 10/0 with him because you WILL die atleast 1-2 times or more.

[zombie-brand-clap]

ff4skNov 4, 20165 votes

Honestly people act like his Q is an instant 1 shot 1 kill when in reality it's a fucking gap closer/escape at best.

Shaco still needed a full rotation to kill a squishies and this was if he was lucky enough to do well early game.

Riot not only took away whatever power he had early but gave him nothing in return to compensate for it.

I'm honestly amazed how Riot can nerf an already underplayed/underpowered champion but buff broken shit that people have been complaining about for months.

CalabokDec 12, 20162 votes

He's fine. You just have to use him more stealthily and less carefree like his old self.

MasterAnomalyNov 20, 20161 votes

I 100% disagree with your stance. Although I believe we are both biased, this is my viewpoint. 1) I've seen shaco picked in nearly every game he isn't banned. 2) He is isn't meant to one shot people. He's meant to harass and keep pressure on the map. 3) He has cc. When his ultimate dies it spawns boxes that fear, etc. 4) He doesn't need waveclear--- If he had waveclear he would just have one more overpowered aspect to him. 5) He's being played for other roles now like top. (see player "Pink Ward", yes the actual player is called Pink Ward) 6) His ganks are some of the best. You don't know whether its him or the clone, etc. Picture this: You are 1 v 1 ing the enemy mid laner. You are winning. Right when you are about to kill, shaco comes and deletes you. If anything in my OPINION, I think he should be nerfed even more. I can continue, but I think these are my strongest arguments. This is my first comment on LOL's board/forum and most likely one of my last~~ I just wanted to express my thoughts although it seems my ideas go against the popular belief. Peace everyone, please consider what I have said.

SaladSavior215Dec 13, 20162 votes

its called "champion that TOOK skill" cause now hes nerfed and no longer good at anything except baiting eemy into team ro something but you're mostly likely not gonna get a good K/D/A.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]