Skarner should be a Juggernaut

Variks the Loyal·12/3/2016, 12:39:15 AM·2 votes·563 views

I'm writing this because I've recently found that Riot, so soon after the Juggernaut update, no longer consider Skarner a Juggernaut, instead placing him in the 'Vanguard' category as specifically a tank. I want to challenge that notion because I feel like Juggernaut is the perfect fit for Skarner - someone who is kitable, tanky, and deals a lot of damage if he reaches you.

Here's the post in question:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

I have a few points I want to make on this.

So, firstly, as someone who's loved Skarner ever since his first iteration, Juggernaut was always sort of his playstyle. He needed to be kited, always. The main point of strength, though, was when Skarner first got to you. Once he's there, he's there, and it takes a lot to peel him off once he's there. In his past states, Skarner has always been a very potent duelist; if you ran into Skarner, and just tried to get into a 1v1 brawl with him, he'd probably win once repeated Crystal Slashes and Sheen procs set in. He'd out tank you and kill you with overwhelming sustained damage.

Recently, Riot came out and spoke about Shyvana as a Juggernaut. For her ultimate, they resolved that she gets to ignore the main weakness of being a Juggernaut on the cast of her ultimate. That's great - it helps make Shyvana, Shyvana. I think they should think of Skarner in a similar fashion.

Skarner is kitable, tanky, and does a lot of damage. But he needs to reach you to apply that damage. His AA's and Crystal Slash are all very short range. Crystalline Exoskeleton is his only gap closer in that regard, outside of flash. Once he is on, though, he's very difficult to rip off of someone. That's the rub. Skarner is very kitable before he gets to you. The game should be 'kite and break the shield.' If his shield breaks, he's likely kited for good. If you don't break it, and he gets to maintain the boosted movement speed, he'll reach you and never get off. In exchange, his TTK is a bit lower than other Juggernauts; Darius and Mordekaiser will burst you down really quick, but Skarner is much harder to get away from.

I know they're going to rework Skarner again. They said it not long after the Juggernaut update. I just don't want them to get confused as to what people who play Skarner enjoyed him for, and why they played him. He's a tanky, kitable duelist who does lots of sustained damage. I don't want him to be changed to an engage-focused tank that doesn't deal a lot of damage. When he gets reworked again, I feel Juggernaut is still the right target to aim for.

20 Comments

LostFr0st12/3/2016, 12:45:45 AM2 votes

Juggernaut isn't the right fit for Skarner precisely because he's super good at chasing and hard to peel off. He also has far too much cc to be a juggernaut, and #1 thing is that our racecar is too fast to be a juggernaut. That was also the #1 thing people missed after the first iteration of Skarner on the Pbe juggernaut update, so they added most of the speed back since it defined the champ.

Oelyk12/3/2016, 12:47:42 AM2 votes

They switched him to vanguard from juggernaut? What? Bull!

(seriously this guy shreds you like a wood chipper once he gets close, is that not a juggernaut?)

Dam I have to find a gif for that...

HERE!

http://i.imgur.com/6wMsqFo.gif

Requiemsfire12/3/2016, 1:14:03 AM1 votes

Skarner still generally has to burn his flash to reach a backline in a team fight so I agree.

CrazyBear198712/3/2016, 2:14:32 AM1 votes

I agree enough to say he "Can be a juggernaut" but he was built as a Vanguard.

nothing stopping people from building him into a juggernaut, but people shouldn't be misled into thinking he has Juggernaut kit.

I think this is fair from Riot, but so is your assessment of his Juggernaut "potential"

Variks the Loyal2/5/2017, 2:53:43 AM1 votes

So, I'm bumping this thread. A bit of time has passed and Trinity Force Skarner is the way to go again.

Skarner currently works as a Juggernaut - rush Triforce, and build Cinderhulk and all tank items later, and he works well. I've done it a lot and it's fun.

So I just want to beg Riot. Please don't make him a Vanguard. Being a tank isn't Skarner's identity; being a high-damage duelist was always his shtick. He can be a Juggernaut that's sticky and hard to peel off. There's quite a few fast, 'run-down' Juggernauts like Udyr and Volibear that fit the same bill. That's what Skarner should be, not an initiating tank.

GodJormungandr2/12/2017, 8:47:54 AM1 votes

I JUST WANT RIOT TO FULLY REWORK AND GIVE SKARNER NEW VISUAL UPDATE There i'll love my skarner forever he definitely needs a full Visual and gameplay rework, He also NEEDS to be a juggernaut + Vanguard Both, because he is a hybrid Vanguard scorpion like, his role of being a juggernaut while a vanguard is so f*kin fits him, he is not a full vanguard he is not a full juggernaut he is a hybrid of both, I do definitely need that style on him, BUT i am waiting FORWARD to see WHEN riot actually will finally List him at once in Champion update Schedule so i can see my passion of my main there. here is some points about Skarner and how hard he got nerfed Past years when skarner was out in around 2011 or before or after i forgot totally, he was a god .. a GODLIKE monster in 1 v 1. his overall gameplay matches so well, Then riot decided to rekt him... too bad.. He got another nerf.. alright riot? you are nerfing the most forgotten and lost champ.. why is that? He got 3rd nerf... Wth? he got a 4th nerf and rework. seriously? And they also Nerfed him after the final mini juggernaut rework... Wth... he is no longer a champion RIot, you better get the power of the Scorpion back, There are a few people who Love skarner and they want him to be duelist again.

Sad part They gave that Duelist thing to vayne and fiora,, Cough % true damge.. And they Rekt skarner and kept him so lost.. wth... how is he a scorpion now?