Am i a good pantheon ? Or a bronzie that thinks hes good ?? pros please!

ARESGODOFWARR··2 votes·801 views

I personally think i do a lot of good things when i get panth top/ no one afks. All my losses are when im forced to support( yes i know i should man up and learn a carry support) The games i do lose as panth top are usually very close games or ones where i just said FUCK IT, cuz bot/mid lose towers before im even level 6. So if i wasn't an asshole, and i played a carry support would i be in bronze still ? Or does my pantheon just suck and thats why i haven't left ? I am watching video of myself and catching small mistakes and trying to fix them

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BLACK REALM GOD2 votes

i noticed you wasted flash for your first kill on nasus. try to be more efficient with your flashes. i take ghost so if i burn it a little early or late i can still get some benefit out of it.

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

thanks, ya i didnt think i would be able to get him with my q with out taking too much damage from his minions. Also using q would have been a gamble because i dont think i would of had mana. I am not a fan of a fed nasus so i wanted him dead lol But i will keep that mind to conserve abilites untill i absolutely need them.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

the reason i say that is because you would have been caught without an escape had the jungler made an early gank. especially would have been bad against a kled even with movement speed and pantheon.

what's the video recorder you used?

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

Obs, some free software i downloaded, it was kinda laggy ya?

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

yeah it was a little laggy. i noticed it kept crashing or something, but i was wondering because you made me want to record my bronze matches lol.

VvVVvV1 votes

wait..im sorry thius is not a response to your question but yet a question.

you and the trist on other team in same clan?

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

o ya just noticed that. Someone added me the other day dont know much about clans

specter4241 votes

how do you get forced to support in bronze

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

auto fill is always activated, you 1/3 games you have to support Bot lane has bee na disaster every game, its just who has more people that can stop the bleeding.

specter4241 votes

autofill in bronze 5..? I thought it was just a high elo thing

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

lol not its in bronze 5. Its chaos ever que there is someone going "uhh i didnt pick adc, why did it make me adc" So ya if you wanna have a good time play a game in bronze hell.

YOU LOST LMAO1 votes

panth hard counter to nas

archerno11 votes

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panth hard counter to nas

Panth is hard counter to every top laner.

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

true, but im more focused what i do after lane phase, if im doing the right things.

Eedat1 votes

You're picking a champion that is notorious for being extremely strong early game then falls off insanely hard mid/late game. You can get away with it if you get very far ahead early though

Your build is also very weird. Your first items were item 3033 and item 3156. Last whisperer only shreds BONUS armor which nobody will have much of in the early game. You should have gone item 3036 anyway because they really dont have a lot of self healing. LW items are like a third item at the very earliest. They are extraordinarily inefficient as first items. Maw is also a questionable choice considering the only major source of AP damage is Donger. Nasus does do some Ap damage, but its still mostly AD from his Q

When you are fed, it is NEVER worth dying for 1 kill.

@23:34 you suicided into 4 of them

@28:00 double tower dive with your team mates being very low and unable to follow up

@30:04 you burned flash to try to stun a Morg who had black shield on. Then you overstayed while almost being dead. You should have just back

@35:42 again you are overstaying. You are staying in their base with literally 100hp left and 3 of them up

Another thing I noticed is you NEVER ward. Those were some things you did wrong. Some things you did right

Your roams were successful. You crushed Nasus in lane. Maintained pressure in you lane. Pushed towers.

I would be curious to see a game where you didnt do so well. Might be better to see more mistakes

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

hey man thanks a lot for your review. Honestly i looked back at some of your points i was like o shit hes right. I guess because i felt they were not that good i took some risks. If it was a tight match dying to get one kill is never worth it. Overstaying is somthing i like to think im good at avoiding but when im fed i kinda forget the danger. I know pros will take advantage and somthing like that could throw a game And ya i will try and ward more. Should i be running around in jungle warding dragons/bushes? I honestly cant remember the last time i got beat in lane with panth (not trying to sound cocky) I try to help my team with my ults the best i can without giving up my tower or to much cs Games that i lose as panth top, are usually because bot/mid lose tower under 5 min and i just dont know what to do. I also often break down after trying so hard to win and people start afking/trolling. I tilt very easily and then i keep playing games, keep not getting top, and then i just become an asshole. Im actually banned for 14 days cuz i raged at some thresh ADC that was named trollmiester... Ive been in bronze for YEARS. But i have been watching pro panths lately, and i watch what they do all game not just lane phase. So i do want to get better. I am trying to get better. When i lose i like to have a feeling that i made some mistakes that i can fix.. not just o well lets que again and hope i dont waste another 20 min :(

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

And ya i was kinda experimenting that game with those items. I know i want armor pen, and to avoid falling off i build tanky late game. I really like the shield from the Maw as well. And ya building last whisper later makes more sense I thought i was just straight armor pen. So ill try out all your points hopefully it makes me better. thanks a lot

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

So, I am not a pro, or even ranked. I just play a lot of Pantheon and I have for years.

You're ok. But there are some obvious things you're missing. Some missed cs that really should not have been missed, a few misclicks on abilities. Your first kill against Nasus was really more about the Nasus being bad than you being good.

So about your starting items, the usual Panth start is the Corrupting Potion because as you saw, if you keep chucking your spears you run out of mana quicker than you can imagine. Doran's is also fine, but it's a bit riskier especially if your against a champion with sustain. If Nasus had pulled back and used his abilities to heal and his own potions you would have been out of luck to really pull off your full level 3 burst. So, if you're going with the Doran's start you need to manage your abilities and get ready for that full burst. And it'd be great if you think a step or so ahead, if you don't push the enemy into their own tower before level 3 you can generally get the kill. Now, you can be a bit more aggressive with the Nasus, because you should be able to aggressively counter them in lane.

The potential mana problems come up again with the kled counter-gank. One more spear and you would have gotten the kill.

Alright, that out of the way let's go to build order. First off, Pickaxe. Not a bad first item just by stats, but not all that good by build paths. You got an early Last Whisper, but look at what that gives you against most opponents at the time you got it. If your opponent buys a 50 armor item you lower it by 15, which is about the best you could hope for. That's good on exactly one opponent, the enemy tank, and you're post level 6. Your ult and teleport, that means you should be going around the map and wrecking shit up.

I'd instead suggest looking at Ghostblade. Serrated Dirk is cheaper than Last Whisper, the 10 ArP is comparable to LW 15, and would be actually effective against non-tanks. Plus, to maximize its effectiveness you need to throw spears between last hitting. Which is what you want to do. It forces you to focus on last hitting, which is the big key to getting better.

The other generally considered key item is Black Cleaver, health, damage, shreds total armor (useful all game long), and increased move speed lets you stick onto your opponent.

Next up: WARD. WARD. DROP MORE WARDS. WHY ARENT YOU WARDING? Seriously though, if Rengar had been a bit more aggressive top post 6 you would have been screwed with your ward placement. You got lucky, that he was down bot for most of the game, and, his one big gank was just handled poorly.

Most of the teamfights were ok. You got greedy a fair few times and essentially suicided. This is mostly stuff you'll pick up on instinct after awhile.

So, that's mostly it. You're ok, but there's room for improvement. Out of curiosity, what opponents do you lane against that give you trouble? And, knowing that Panth's effectiveness falls off late game, what steps do you take to make sure the game ends quickly?

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

Hey buddy thanks for your response. As far as items i was kinda experimenting, some new items i was trying out. I love ghost blade because of its movement speed bonus, i catch a lot of peeps with it. And yes, someone else also mention my lack of wards. I will def make sure to do that. And to behonest i cant remember the last time i got beat in lane with panth. I have also played him for years and very aware of his mana issues. I would actually love to have a close fight top lane that would be fun. And i made some risky dives cuz i was being careless since i felt we were way ahead. But i also unserstand against good players that could mean gg

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

Hey buddy thanks for your response. As far as items i was kinda experimenting, some new items i was trying out. I love ghost blade because of its movement speed bonus, i catch a lot of peeps with it. And yes, someone else also mention my lack of wards. I will def make sure to do that. And to behonest i cant remember the last time i got beat in lane with panth. I have also played him for years and very aware of his mana issues. I would actually love to have a close fight top lane that would be fun. And i made some risky dives cuz i was being careless since i felt we were way ahead. But i also unserstand against good players that could mean gg

ARESGODOFWARR1 votes

O and when i do come across a tough laner, and i let them level up before me.. I usually play like a bitCh. I stay under tower and focus farming. I will also build armor and wait for a gank. I dont keep feeding. And ya im tryin to practice last hitting. I get better at it every game gna keep working on it And i usually build tanky late game. I also use scaling attack damage seals/ glyphs and armor pen marks/quints. I copied them from Sephero, a diamond player with the highest panth win rate. Look up "king of pantheons" on youtube. This dude recorded a whole match with his guy as panth. He wooped a nasus and they won late game

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