Lux should be updated,not Vel'koz

TyroneWatermelon·Jan 26, 2016·3 votes·501 views

Riot focuses on perfectly fine and balanced champion,with clear weaknesses and strengths,and overall okay uniqueness,just because you want to make EVERY CHAMPION with a unique mechanic,like hammer slap(poppy r),Devour,lamb's blessing,Test of spirit,Tremor sense,Unbreakable,Souldbound m8,Chronobreak and every single fucking champ released after 2014 doesn't mean you should expirement your trash rework on successful champs. Look what you made out of Skarner,Garen,Darius and Mordekaiser,Broken reworked fiora,release Quinn,Graves is the best at top jungle and adc,broken gangplank and many more. Some champions needed it,but why taking a fine champs just because you are bored and want to troll the community? Focus on Lux instead of vel'koz,she is unhealthy,unbalanced,disgusting champion,and has no more "uniqueness" than Vel'Koz.

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BeatzBoyFTWJan 26, 20163 votes

Note that preworked Mordekaiser Quinn Gangplank was considered shit tier & resulted in not being picked a lot, thus was the reason why they're reworked to get some spotlight.

Your thread here is just another plain "Lux needs nerfs!!!" rant thread which does not benefit the Mage Update at all. Technically, Vel'koz needs the Mage Update more than Lux does since he was left in the dark corner with all these Assassin champs roaming mid lane.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Note that preworked was considered shit tier & resulted in not being picked a lot, thus was the reason why they're reworked to get some spotlight.

Your thread here is just another plain "Lux needs nerfs!!!" rant thread which does not benefit the Mage Update at all. Technically, Vel'koz needs the Mage Update more than Lux does since he was left in the dark corner with all these Assassin champs roaming mid lane.

That's why I said the NEEDED these reworks mr.genius,but riot never care about the feedback of the players,making 80% of released champions and reworks overpowered. This isn't Lux nerf thread,this is Lux rework thread. Vel'koz was never left in the dark corner,he was perfectly balanced and had a normal tier identity,Assassins are toxic to the game anyway.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 26, 20162 votes

she is unhealthy,unbalanced,disgusting champion,and has no more "uniqueness" than Vel'Koz.

Sounds like you really wanted her nerfed to me. Or else, you would have said "her kit doesn't fit well into the current meta right now" instead. Lux "update". Nah, you wanted her to be "downdate". And yes, I am funny :p

Assassins are indeed toxic as fk. But since Riot refuses to nerf them instead, that's the one point why they're trying their best to give Vel'koz some more spotlight in the Mage Update. It's similar concept to how they never nerfed TD and buffed the other Keystones instead, as stated by Riot:

we're avoiding playing 'whack-a-mole' with the Keystones (ie: just nerfing whichever is best at any given moment)

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Sounds like you really wanted her nerfed to me. Or else, you would have said "her kit doesn't fit well into the current meta right now" instead.

And yes, assassins are indeed toxic as fk. But since Riot refuses to nerf them instead, that's the one point why they're trying their best to give Vel'koz some more spotlight in the Mage Update. It's similar concept to how they never nerfed TD and buffed the other Keystones instead, as stated by Riot:

Sounds like,but i didnt meant to. assassins are generally toxic because burst is too strong in this game. take akali for example,she has no counterplay,and no CC is no counterplay,you either die or you magically escape. Zed is only countered by Items. Fizz is just should be deleted. Talon can instantly kill you with point and click gap closer before you can react.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 26, 20161 votes

....somehow we have come to a point where you can use the champions you listed & described to counter Lux. So are we still continuing this discussion about wanting Lux nerfed(or rework, w/e) again....?

EDIT: Noticed the 2nd updated comment on my same comment. Read this again.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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....somehow we have come to a point where you can use the champions you listed & described to counter Lux. So are we still continuing this discussion about wanting Lux nerfed(or rework, w/e) again....?

EDIT: Noticed the 2nd updated comment on my same comment. Read this again.

i shouldnt be forced to pick a single class of champions like Assassins just so i will have a chance against a champion. Read my comments again,i never said i wanted a lux nerf.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 26, 20162 votes

No offence, but your statement there seems kind of stubborn. It's like saying you only want to play Garen at bot lane, and you want any ADC who kills you to be ner- I mean, reworked.

Even if you want to state that Lux needs a rework to her kit, you never even listed as to how she's even considered toxic, as all you did is spam "she's disgusting blah blah blah". This is one part of the reason why you're collecting free downvotes. No constructive comments on that subject.

And my countering points imo:

Lux is completely skillshot based, similar to Ezreal. If you can dodge a Veigar or Morg Q, then it should be no problem for you to dodge Lux's Q as well.
Lux is pretty vulnerable if she missed her Q & E, since she has 0 mobility & is easy to lock down. Take that chance to kill/engage her instead of waiting for her cd to come off.
Her E can be pretty intimidating, but if you're around 600 range from her, that 0.5-0.75 cast time should be more than enough for you to move away.
Please try not to be stingy by saving gold for your own benefit, and purchase if you're AD, if you're AP, or if you're the main tank.

Even if you still think these points are all bs, then I would have post a "Lux needs nerfs" thread myself.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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No offence, but your statement there seems kind of stubborn. It's like saying you only want to play Garen at bot lane, and you want any ADC who kills you to be ner- I mean, reworked.

Even if you want to state that Lux needs a rework to her kit, you never even listed as to how she's even considered toxic, as all you did is spam "she's disgusting blah blah blah". This is one part of the reason why you're collecting free downvotes. No constructive comments on that subject.

And my countering points imo:

Lux is completely skillshot based, similar to Ezreal. If you can dodge a Veigar or Morg Q, then it should be no problem for you to dodge Lux's Q as well.

Lux is pretty vulnerable if she missed her Q & E, since she has 0 mobility & is easy to lock down. Take that chance to kill/engage her instead of waiting for her cd to come off.

Her E can be pretty intimidating, but if you're around 550 range from her, that 0.5-0.75 cast time should be more than enough for you to move away.

Please try not to be stingy by saving gold for your own benefit, and purchase if you're AD, if you're AP, or if you're the main tank.

Even if you still think these points are all bs, then I would have post a "Lux needs nerfs" thread myself.

faceplammed too hard at your first statement.Sorry. Lets get to the points. Completely "skill"shot based,when its extremely hard to miss with E,Ult and w doesnt even hit enemies. She isnt "pretty vulnerable" when she missed her spells,since she still got crap tons of shield.she is just at her "weakest" state. nobody is at the point of stupidity at letting a champ regain its cooldowns and then fight. 0.5-0.75 cast time with such large aoe radius and slowing field is avoided either by having over 440 movement speed/mobility spell. thanks for the basic itemazation tips i totally didnt knew that mr.genius

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Sounds like you really wanted her nerfed to me. Or else, you would have said "her kit doesn't fit well into the current meta right now" instead.

And yes, assassins are indeed toxic as fk. But since Riot refuses to nerf them instead, that's the one point why they're trying their best to give Vel'koz some more spotlight in the Mage Update. It's similar concept to how they never nerfed TD and buffed the other Keystones instead, as stated by Riot:

i was suggesting rework,not nerf, anyway,assassins are too toxic because burst has no clear place in league. take akali for example,she has no counterplay,all point and click,you either DIE or somehow survive. butt waut senpai unknowntopublic! you can buy stealth to detect akali in her smoke! i know,but that still wont help you survive her point and click mechanix. Zed-only countered by items which you are forced to buy. Fizz-should be deleted. Talon and rengar-can instantly delete you with point and click gap closer,without any reaction from you.thats healthy isnt it? same with Kha'zix if you are alone. Yasuo-Windwall is the most stupid shit you can put on an assassin. the only mechanically healthy assassin i can think of is Ekko

iHerringJan 26, 20162 votes

This is confusing the shit out of me, when did Lux suddenly become the new OP of the week?

First we had "omg the ADC changes and items have RUINED ALL AP USERS!!!!!". Now Lux an AP user is freelo? Lux herself hasn't featured in patch notes since like November last year when they made her Q hit both enemies equally. Are the forums really really slow to notice changes or have I missed something?

EDIT: I downvoted out of bafflement and it's gonna stay that way until I get some answers that don't amount to "I played against a Lux and lost"

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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This is confusing the shit out of me, when did Lux suddenly become the new OP of the week?

First we had "omg the ADC changes and items have RUINED ALL AP USERS!!!!!". Now Lux an AP user is freelo? Lux herself hasn't featured in patch notes since like November last year when they made her Q hit both enemies equally. Are the forums really really slow to notice changes or have I missed something?

Lux was OP since the long time E nerf,but broken content released all the time,making Lux low priority in the whining threads. I don't know what "adc items ruined ap" you are talking about. Yes,you missed a lot.

iHerringJan 26, 20161 votes

AD ruins AP was a whining theme for something like a week. I think it got taken over by the more specific Zed and Rengo OP themes.

As for missing things, I'm pretty sure the "detonate E before it lands" was before the double Q hit buff. If I'd known Lux was such a massive sleeper OP for so long I would have played her more before everyone realised.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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AD ruins AP was a whining theme for something like a week. I think it got taken over by the more specific Zed and Rengo OP themes.

As for missing things, I'm pretty sure the "detonate E before it lands" was before the double Q hit buff. If I'd known Lux was such a massive sleeper OP for so long I would have played her more before everyone realised.

most of boards knew it already.

iHerringJan 26, 20161 votes

Weird, I wonder what brought on this sudden outburst of the thing everyone knows already. We all seemed so busy with the Zed and Rengo and Dynamic Queue.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Weird, I wonder what brought on this sudden outburst of the thing everyone knows already. We all seemed so busy with the Zed and Rengo and Dynamic Queue.

if something wasnt caused by direct champion changes,it caused by item changes. thats the case with assassins.

Zero Skill TankJan 26, 20161 votes

Lux has strong AOE shield, what is a pretty unique quality to have.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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Lux has strong AOE shield, what is a pretty unique quality to have.

thats not a unique mechanic,and lux doesnt have any less identity problems than Vel'Koz

Zero Skill TankJan 26, 20162 votes

It is though on a immobile mage. Meanwhile all Vel has that other immobile mages don't is his true damage passive, that is nice but hardly changes anything - it's just another bit of damage.

In terms of WHAT he does, Vel is really a cookie cutter mage - some hard cc, some softer cc, combo reliance, huge damage AOE ult... HOW he does stuff is really unique though and will probably be preserved in big part in a rework.

TyroneWatermelonJan 26, 20161 votes

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It is though on a immobile mage. Meanwhile all Vel has that other immobile mages don't is his true damage passive, that is nice but hardly changes anything - it's just another bit of damage.

In terms of WHAT he does, Vel is really a cookie cutter mage - some hard cc, some softer cc, combo reliance, huge damage AOE ult... HOW he does stuff is really unique though and will probably be preserved in big part in a rework.

another genius strikes. the point of a mage is to be immobile and to deliver high magic damage through spells. i dont mind that he would be worked on,but he should be "focused" on the big 6 because he is perfetly fine as he is,and i can predict to YOU that riot will ruin his balance.

Zero Skill TankJan 26, 20161 votes

the point of a mage is to be immobile and to deliver high magic damage through spells.

This does not change the fact that Vel'koz does nothing that other mages can't.

MisterHealYoGirlJan 26, 20161 votes

Just because he's one of the main 6 doesn't mean that he's going to be majorly changed. Just look at Caitlyn; she kept every single one of her abilities, and just had them unified around headhshots. That's the level of work that he's looking for.