Ranking system in this game is somewhat bad. criticize it greatly would be fun to play ranked if we actually playing against people in are own elo. instead of diamond platinum even challenger players making smurfs . making elo even more impossible then it is. please riot put a stop from people higher ranks dropin lower ranks preventing new players climbing rank
Iljos5 votesbut how tho? also riot keeps making smurfs way slower to climb with rather than faster so its likely that riot wants smurfs stomping low elo
Tr4shB4NSYST3M2 votesStreamers playing on smurfs and stomping gets more Viewers than streamers playing in their true elo, more viewers= more free advertising for roit. Not gonna change anytime soon, or probably ever.
HazeVictory5 votesDidn't Dota take effective measures against this? I don't recall what the changes were but it's been done before.
Dotty LB8 votesDidn't Dota take effective measures against this? I don't recall what the changes were but it's been done before.
Yea their system for detecting smurfs is picking up players who consistant perform well above their bracket and apply MMR increases. The problem is Dota 2's system probably also factors in their performance where as LoL's system only counts wins and losses.
GFREEMEN5 votesYep LOL's system is archaic and bad.
astralwit3 votesMaking new accounts is fun, not to crush on lower ELO players (which is probably only a dozen or two games anyway), but because you get a stat and MMR reset. It makes every game feel more impactful and competitive. You get to start fresh and test whatever you want.
If we could reset our stats and MMR, there would be no need to smurf. It wouldn't even have to be a full reset. For example, if a Platinum player resets MMR + Stats, it could make them start at G4 but with fresh MMR from that base.
GFREEMEN4 votesSo still let them Ruin Ranked got it.
If you want to test shit you do that in Nomrals. If ANY Smurf plays in Ranked lower then their actually rank it RUINS the whole system ( as we can see right now)
Demented Lemur2 votesMaking new accounts is fun, not to crush on lower ELO players (which is probably only a dozen or two games anyway), but because you get a stat and MMR reset. It makes every game feel more impactful and competitive. You get to start fresh and test whatever you want.
If we could reset our stats and MMR, there would be no need to smurf. It wouldn't even have to be a full reset. For example, if a Platinum player resets MMR + Stats, it could make them start at G4 but with fresh MMR from that base.
So you mean smurfing just with less steps. Ie not solving the issues with smurfing at all
astralwit1 votes[{quoted}](name=Demented Lemur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4RAmPYIa,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2020-01-25T19:56:21.662+0000)
So you mean smurfing just with less steps. Ie not solving the issues with smurfing at all
The point is that you could reset to an MMR with a higher base than a new player but all while keeping the volatility. It would be kind of like pro players getting Riot accounts which start with Diamond MMR. Thus, if you belong there, you should spend much less time "smurfing". If you're a Platinum 4 player, maybe you can start with G2 MMR on a reset.
The most annoying part of playing on an established account is that everything slows to a crawl and games feel less relevant unless you go on a big win streak. You'll get something like +18 -15. On a new account reaching the same rank, you can get +25 -10 because your win rate would be higher. Of course, if you start losing a lot more, you'll drop down to normalized values.
Essentially, I'd want a way to reset and maintain the volatility so that every game feels very meaningful. I don't care about beating on lower ranked players. That's not at all what appeals to me when smurfing.
ZephyrDrake2 votesOk... please tell us how would they do that? Can people stop with the "just fix it 4Head" type of threads and comments? Please tell us how they would do this?
HazeVictory4 votesDota 2 has already done it. It isn't rocker science.
You seem to be living under a rock and god damn your attitude is disgusting.
ZephyrDrake2 votesDota 2 has already done it. It isn't rocker science.
You seem to be living under a rock and god damn your attitude is disgusting.
how have they done it? please tell me instead of having a disgusting attitude yourself
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ZephyrDrake1 votesDottyLB has literally pointed it out in one of the other posts here a while ago. Go read it Maine instead of complaining about how the concept is beyond your comprehension.
the only one complaining here is you mr entitled. I read his response and it literally says nothing. What are the values? UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO TELL ME WHAT DOTA 2 DOES IN DETAIL INSTEAD OF VAGUE GARBAGE DO NOT REPLY!
HideSide1 votesWhy is smurfing bad? Inst it virtually that enemy is just good? Should I take it that you simply dont want to play against better player than you are yourself? That someone smurfs does not mean that he has advantage like more experience or have higher stats. All he has is brain and skill and better use his experience. It really resemble that situation where mass of ppl tries to shred someone into tiny pieces because he is too smart and that means dangerous.
Demented Lemur3 votesWhy is smurfing bad? Inst it virtually that enemy is just good? Should I take it that you simply dont want to play against better player than you are yourself? That someone smurfs does not mean that he has advantage like more experience or have higher stats. All he has is brain and skill and better use his experience. It really resemble that situation where mass of ppl tries to shred someone into tiny pieces because he is too smart and that means dangerous.
You can't learn the game well when your getting stomped by someone significantly better than you. You have to face people close to your own skill level and at max only being slightly better than you. Ie bronze facing iron, gold facing plat etc. Not diamonds facing silvers.
By that logic, in order to teach boxing we should just throw new boxers in the ring with Mike Tyson without any pointers whatsoever because you know those new boxers will learn so much by getting their shit punched in by Mike tyson
HideSide2 votes[{quoted}](name=Demented Lemur,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4RAmPYIa,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2020-01-25T20:03:16.812+0000)
You can't learn the game well when your getting stomped by someone significantly better than you. You have to face people close to your own skill level and at max only being slightly better than you. Ie bronze facing iron, gold facing plat etc. Not diamonds facing silvers.
By that logic, in order to teach boxing we should just throw new boxers in the ring with Mike Tyson without any pointers whatsoever because you know those new boxers will learn so much by getting their shit punched in by Mike tyson
But you are not supposed to learn boxing on tournament. You are supposed doing so in friendly spars not when its competing, so about a win, about testing how good you are, not about making you learn something. Crying about smurfing is the same as crying that trophy for being the best got actually the one who is the best...
Demented Lemur1 votesBut you are not supposed to learn boxing on tournament. You are supposed doing so in friendly spars not when its competing, so about a win, about testing how good you are, not about making you learn something. Crying about smurfing is the same as crying that trophy for being the best got actually the one who is the best...
I don't define having a smurf on the enemy team destroying my team as an equivalent to a friendly spar. A one vs one would be more equivalent to a friendly spar. A smurf on the enemy team is just mike tyson beating the shit out of me for fun
(Sarcasm incoming)
You can't test how good you are by getting you ass handed to you in this game. If that was the case, why not just remove rankings entirely because fuck it people learn better getting their asses handed to them by your logic. People totally dont lose confidence when they get their asses handed to them by a significantly better player. skill based matchmaking is completely pointless and riot definitely didn't have a reason for adding it to the game.
(Sarcasm over)
The problem isn't that someone is better me. The problem is that their significantly better me and are kicking my shit in to the point I cant learn anything and cant have fun playing the game. If this game didn't have levels and gold advantages then maybe it would be fine ;however, that is not the case . The reason they added a surrender option is because nobody really has allot of fun playing in a game were they just get one shotted by a player over and over again.
I played against a smurf rengar once. you know what happened he got fed to the point were he would just jump into our team on his own and kill us all by right clicking. It didn't matter that i built Armour early at all. All I learned from that is that Rengar getting that fed is a nightmare.
Let them be the best just put them in the rank they should be at plain and simple.
astralwit2 votesWhy is smurfing bad? Inst it virtually that enemy is just good? Should I take it that you simply dont want to play against better player than you are yourself? That someone smurfs does not mean that he has advantage like more experience or have higher stats. All he has is brain and skill and better use his experience. It really resemble that situation where mass of ppl tries to shred someone into tiny pieces because he is too smart and that means dangerous.
The problem is that teams may not be balanced properly for smurfing and both teams don't necessarily get a comparable smurf. Let's say that you're a support main and play 25% better than your counterpart but the enemy ADC is a smurf and plays 75% better than their counterpart. Even though this support player would climb if the 4 other roles were exactly equal, they will probably lose this game since their skill advantage can't overcome the massive discrepancy created by the smurf. Of course, in a larger sample, this support will get the benefit of the smurf too or there may even be no smurfs so it will likely balance out. However, feeling very low agency in such a game is not a good time.
Although, I think this isn't just an issue of smurfing. This is an issue of bad match making above all. It's crazy how often I can op.gg teams and pretty much know who will win but apparently match making thinks that the game should go through and is balanced.
HideSide2 votesThe problem is that teams may not be balanced properly for smurfing and both teams don't necessarily get a comparable smurf. Let's say that you're a support main and play 25% better than your counterpart but the enemy ADC is a smurf and plays 75% better than their counterpart. Even though this support player would climb if the 4 other roles were exactly equal, they will probably lose this game since their skill advantage can't overcome the massive discrepancy created by the smurf. Of course, in a larger sample, this support will get the benefit of the smurf too or there may even be no smurfs so it will likely balance out. However, feeling very low agency in such a game is not a good time.
Although, I think this isn't just an issue of smurfing. This is an issue of bad match making above all. It's crazy how often I can op.gg teams and pretty much know who will win but apparently match making thinks that the game should go through and is balanced.
Yes, but that should not justify, that that given support actually lost against better player and thus does not deserve to climb and by playing against this good players you also becomes better player. The thing with matchmaking is that low players should not get into high level game, not high level players into low level game. You should decide if you want to play against worse players, but others should not decide if you gonna play WITH bad players...
Malix Farwin1 votesThe thing about the Smurfing problem is that it would fix itself if LoL's ranking system was better but because of how it is smurfs are in these elos and people are play as well as smurfs are as well.
