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Lux 90% CDR on ult

Imperial Japan··4 votes·13,731 views

So... Are you telling me Lux in late game will be able to cast her ult every 5 seconds granted she kills someone with it? Lux ult at rank 3 is 50 seconds. Lux usually builds Morello's, Zhonyas, and atleast one CDR item every game giving her 40% CDR. This brings her ult down to 30 seconds per cast. Although personally I don't like Lux and believe that is too low of a cooldown for ult, it still is fine. Lux is maintaining viability without being broken... but... 50% cooldown refund at rank 3 Lux ult upon killing an enemy? Paired with 40% CDR and her Ults rediculously low cooldown time, Lux is able to fire her ult EVERY 5 SECONDS. Seeing as her ult does pretty much half of a squishy target's health, I really don't believe this buff should be added. Please revert is as Lux is already viable.

Tl; Dr - Lux ult rank 3 - 50 seconds Lux usually builds 40% CDR - 30 seconds Lux gets 50% cooldown refund per kill on PBE - 5 seconds I don't think this is fair as Lux is already maintaining viability with good pickrate.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Edit: Did my math really wrong, cut me slack though. It's ~3AM. Anyways you get the point. It's ridiculously low and I don't believe it's a good buff. They should probably look at her shield instead.

33 Comments

Critmaster Garen4 votes

cdr in this case should stack multiplicative.

means her cooldown should go down to 15 seconds after a kill with 40% cdr.

by the way, its still on the pbe. if that buff is over the top, their first reaction will probably be to tune down the refund.

though imo they should probably look into changing the missile speed of her shield instead. last time i played her, the ability was just garbage.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Yeah I gotcha, still should change a different aspect of her kit if anything. That said I don't believe she really needs a buff. There's arguments that it's to make her more viable or unique in high elo but there's many champs that aren't used high elo do to the kit just not being viable up there.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

Yeah I gotcha, still should change a different aspect of her kit if anything. That said I don't believe she really needs a buff. There's arguments that it's to make her more viable or unique in high elo but there's many champs that aren't used high elo do to the kit just not being viable up there.

shes actually pretty underwhelming right now.

a buff wouldnt be wrong. but imo it should still go to her w, because you cant even properly protect allies with how slow the damn thing is.

they nerfed her a while back by reducing her self shielding, nerfing the shield value and reducing the missile speed on the thing. at the same time they allowed 2 shield hits to stack up on allies.

while the nerf to the self shielding made sense at the time, the reduced missile speed entirely ruined the ability. it doesnt allow for clutch saves anymore.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Eh - opinions are different on different people.

Just that we agree that if she were to get a buff, it should be on w

SH Azykan1 votes

It should go out faster but come back at about the same speed it does now. so that you aren't wasting the 2nd part of the shield on yourself if you use it right.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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It should go out faster but come back at about the same speed it does now. so that you aren't wasting the 2nd part of the shield on yourself if you use it right.

that was my first thought back then aswell.

for some reason they made it go out slower than it returns. should have been the reverse.

Anhartamin1 votes

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Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

Last time they nerfed her shield was because she was a brick wall in lane with barrier and almost unkillable

thats why they nerfed her self shielding by reducing the value and had it stack up on allies instead. so she could still shield allies well but she would get less out of it herself.

but in the same patch they also nerfed the missile speed on the projectile by a large amount which was completely unreasonable. it basically turned the ability to shit even when you wanted to use it to support allies.

like the stacking shield value doesnt help when your ally gets killed before the projectile arrives and returns to apply a shield. clutch saves became almost impossible. theyre harder to pull off now with the potentially larger shield than before.

so now she cant use it to shield herself well, nor to shield allies well with how clunky it is.

a partial revert of the nerf to at least have it be a good support ability would be appropriate imo.

i dont mind the buff on the pbe, and a shield missile speed buff alone would probably not be enough to make her not suck overall. but they should first and foremost focus on having part of her kit not be clunky as hell before fiddling with number buffs like the cdr on he ult.

Narsicus3 votes

I doubt it refunds BASE cd, most likely it goes from 30 seconds -> 15 seconds.

Still seems an unusual buff though, I guess they wanted to lower her ult cd but diddnt want her to just use it to clear minion waves ad nauseum.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Yeah but they should really be looking to at least buff other parts of her kit. She does crazy damage already but she has a pretty useless shield which they could touch up on.

Myrmiron1 votes

Don't worry. If this turn out to be too good they'll just nerf her somewhere else. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Imperial Japan1 votes

I won't be surprised xD Riot rarely reverts changes made (only case I remember is Kog' Maw). They minus as well just delete her w in exchange.

Sona Ping1 votes

Don't worry. If this turn out to be too good they'll just break an ability somewhere else.

I fear that this is going to be the more likely scenario.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Darius

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Cost: 100/100/0 Mana Range: 460

Darius leaps to an enemy champion and strikes a lethal blow,** dealing true damage**. This damage is increased for each stack of Hemorrhage on the target**. If Noxian Guillotine is a killing blow, its cooldown is refreshed for a brief duration. ** Leaps to target enemy champion and strikes a lethal blow, dealing 100/200/300 (+75% bonus Attack Damage) true damage. For each stack of Hemorrhage on the target, Noxian Guillotine deals an additional 20% damage. Maximum Damage: 100/200/300If Noxian Guillotine kills the target, it may be re-cast at no cost within 20 seconds.At rank 3, Noxian Guillotine unlocks - its cooldown resets entirely on kills and it no longer has a Mana cost.

Stars Shaper2 votes

On a melee, single target ultimate used by a melee champion that doesn't already build CDR.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

even at max CDR and the bonus 30% it's still a 15 second cooldown ability. the power of the spell is 300-500+75%. it could be worse

Stars Shaper1 votes

yes, it could be nearly global in range with the power to clear an entire lane and unstopped by CC- oh wait...

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

it's not nearly global. it would require 3x the current size. maybe 4x. it only clears 1/5 of a lane. CC affects it. not roots, or slows, but CC still affects it.

Imperial Japan1 votes

  1. Darius is meelee

  2. Darius is easily kiteable

  3. Darius is easy to bend over

  4. One champion (who has legitimate reasons for his reset) having an unreasonable skill does not mean another champion should get it too.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

Kassadin KogMaw Nidalee Anivia Akali Blitzcrank Elise Chogath Ezreal Katarina Jhin Khazix Nunu MasterYi Teemo Yorick

all of these champs have some form of innate cooldown for their ultimate, a charge system that allows multiple casts, or just doesnt use their R.

i see nothing wrong here.

Imperial Japan1 votes

Kassidin is

  1. squishy
  2. meelee
  3. an assassin

Kogmaw is

  1. low dmg ult (used mainly for executing low health / poking)
  2. squishy

Nidalee is ...

Anivia is

  1. Her ult although useful is taken down by her medium range
  2. a Unique case where her kit isn't broken by her ult

Akali is

  1. an Assassin
  2. Her ult does not do much damage and is comparable to Yasuo E - Just a gap closer

Blitzcrank is 1.

Tired so i'm going to stop here. You get the point.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

lux is

1 squishy 2 slow 3 passive grants her damage (most abilities dont do a lot of damage)

PermabannedGaren1 votes

{quoted}

Lux usually builds Morello's, Zhonyas, and atleast one CDR item every game giving her 40% CDR.

This isn't true actually. She needs sorc shoes to burst, luden's for poke and burst, and deathcap and void staff are mandatory. So she'd need to get it from runes, which most don't. Some even drop zhonya's for, no joke, Liandry's apparently.

30% is the most Lux players tend to get, unless they're support.

Lexyy1 votes

I agree with your calculations, so 30% from items.

At rank 3 her ult is on 35 sec cd with that. Add 30% off if she kills someone, it gets down to 24.5 sec.

Too little for suck burst. People were complaining her cd was already too little, and now they lowered it even more lol.

Imperial Japan1 votes

As champions abilities change, their build changes. Although what you're saying is true that Lux players only get 30% cd it's still provides her with stupid cdr on her ult.

Wolftastic331 votes

Katarina 100% CDR on ult at Rank 3, thanks to passive.

Imperial Japan1 votes

I think the direction of the buff was fine (to her late game) but having an 100% reset I'd say is a bit too much

sobi9991 votes

wait 50% of 30sec is 15sec. Where am i going wrong? Lux is really crappy though as you go higher up because her Q and ult are really easy to dodge unless obviously you're snared when she ults you or if she is outside your vision. She needs to proc her passive though to do decent amount of damage and as a lux main ( i stopped playing her) i have always felt her late game weak because her CDR on spells are way too high. You can use your spells in lane and back off but in late game once you have used your abilities you are literally a sitting duck. Even if you have your E or Q or W back up you only do decent damage with E and with procing your passive but since mobility creep is so damn high you usually keep the Q/W for utility and escapes. And since you rely on burst you are really weak to bruisers or tanks as once you have used your burst then you're basically soraka. Take veig, annie, syndra, velk, brand for example because they are strong against even tanks but lack the immense utility or range that lux has.

Her early game once she gets 1-2 items, usually 10-15mins into the game is opressive and she can 100-0 squishies but usually needs a full combo i.e. Q.E.R.AA.E.AA maybe not the last AA but nonetheless if you are snared and the lux is good she can do 80% of combo which should still kill a squishy early game.

Imperial Japan1 votes

If she get's at least 1 kill early then she can easily delete any squishy with E>Q>R>AA easily. (even early)

Late game once you use your abilities half the team will be dead and the other half will be up for round two paired with the ULT CD. Besides, if you're a Lux main then I'd really hope that you'd realize this buff will do nothing but make her even more cancerous and that she needs buffs in other parts of her kit IF ANYTHING. (* cough * w * cough *)

Lexyy1 votes

Her ult will have 24.5 sec cd on rank 3 with 30% cd reduction from items + 30% if she kills someone. Everyone was complaining about her cd being too low, and riot decides to lower it even more.

I really want to know their thought proces behind this decision....

Imperial Japan1 votes

40% reduction usually from items but yeah.

DarkenedFlames1 votes

Math's a bit iffy there. The way to do it would be 1.45 reduction times 0.5 refund. 1.45 x 0.5 = 0.725. 72.5% cooldown reduction.... which, yea, is still ridiculous.

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