@Riot, A reasoned response on the Shen nerfs

Herdis Leah·4/5/2017, 7:29:38 AM·7 votes·726 views

With the new Shen changes on the PBE, potentially Shen will have zero abilities that affect minions and zero way to push the lane. NONE. The only way he can push the lane is to auto attack.

There is no other champion in the game that is completely at the mercy of their autos. Minion control is essential to setting up trades in lane, and especially for a character like Shen who routinely gets shoved into the tower repeatedly at early levels, having some kind of ability or auto reset to assist in farming under tower gives him a little bit of gold where other champs just lose minions to tower.

Please, think about this. Laning something like a Singed is miserable already. Ivern will be able to push you into tower. If I don't have some kind of base damage on the wave, the enemy can simply stack a wave up in my face, hit me with a CC or engage and I can't trade well because I'm trading into 6 minions. I really want to express my skill on Shen when landing those passthru Q's and having well timed W's and taunts, but I'm fighting minions more than I'm fighting my lane opponent, and thats not fun. I understand that wave manipulation is supposed to be his weakness, but its already his weakness. Laning a Rumble, Singed, Illaoi is miserable. I can't fight at any point. I can't shove. I farm under tower and get harassed, and then I cross my fingers and hope my soloq jungler can bail me out before my tower gets dropped at 8 minutes.

Can you please just nerf the ult cooldown, maybe do the %scaling thing, but leave the Q? Hitting the Q and the ult at the same time is just overwhelming.

7 Comments

deathgod54/5/2017, 7:40:01 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/02tamZoa-quick-gameplay-thoughts-april-4

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/shen

welp... it seems that it ruins shen in competitive so we are to no longer to have fun on him(aka: the azir effect). I mean he is not even strong right now sitting at a confortable win rate of 47 percent.

FEDXSai4/5/2017, 7:50:48 AM1 votes

but Shen not divable you cant punish Shen players for playing TOO passive by diving

MooooooooreDakka4/5/2017, 10:49:01 AM1 votes

Also, I'd need to check this on the pbe but this might stop you from being able to kill caster minions with one auto after a tower shot. Edit: Sounds like they're adding a base damage to help with that.

Zero Skill Tank4/5/2017, 12:04:27 PM1 votes

With the new Shen changes on the PBE, potentially Shen will have zero abilities that affect minions and zero way to push the lane. NONE. The only way he can push the lane is to auto attack.

Which is barely relevant, since 99,99% of Shens get both Cape and Hydra.

Maximum Morde4/5/2017, 12:07:55 PM1 votes

Red post stated he's getting a flat damage increase to his Q at the same time though so it will be fine for last hitting still.

No Shen can shove lane without Sunfire/Hydra anyway.

And A Real Hiero4/5/2017, 4:54:16 PM1 votes

Not sure if the E buff is worth all this shit.

Edit: Reread the ult changes, I like clutch saves a lot more than offensive ults. So that's good, but damn thats a huge cd increase. I can understand the removal of damage vs nonchampions, though now Shen will probably be useless in the jungle. I don't like the base damage add vs everything though (it falls off hard), why not revert the nerf on his % damage so he has some more power vs champs in lane?