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The sustain on nasus is starting to get a bit silly...

Geminicomet··5 votes·1,578 views

Alright im not here to just be all like "susan to op bleh blah bloo" but I cant be alone here when I say everything coming out this season is starting to make his sustain in lane a little overbearing. If he goes all the way down the ferocity tree he can get feast, vampirism and now the new warlords bloodlust giving him like 16 or 17% lifesteal right off the bat (including passive and runes if you have them). If he goes down resolve he can get recovery, runic armor, perseverance, and grasp of the undying plus being allowed to get biscuits while ALSO having a passive that can go up to 20% more lifesteal. Oh and on the off chance you get a gank from your jungler or you're able to expend all your mana/health trying desperately to keep him starved of stacks he just teleports back and its the same song and dance all over again. On top of that once he gets spirit visage just forget about killing him...at all.

Like honestly in all my years of playing league nasus has never been this annoying and no one is ever happy to see a nasus other than the person actually playing nasus cause instead of playing league it turns into playing a damn war of attrition where you have to focus all your resources on nasus while having 4 other people to worry about OR race against the clock to try and end the game before nasus just pulls an auto win from doing nothing but farming.

28 Comments

CrimsonReaps2 votes

I rarely have problems with nasus, Normally Even if he gets stacks, the hybrid carries and large DPS adc's are able to take him down before he can do much damage, this is my experience at least i could be very wrong.

Geminicomet1 votes

The problem isn't his teamfighting its his laning phase and the ease at which he forces the entire match to revolve around him. Plus nasus doesn't even teamfight until he gets more stack which was the point of my "war of attrition/race against the clock" comment.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

You could make Nasus cry if you picked Heim, lissandra, quinn, etc. Yes, Nasus will outscale but you can delay him massively to the point he might not even get 100 stacks in 10 minutes (thats huge btw).

Anraton2 votes

hm .. IIRC 17% from mastery is the top end as it scales with missing health ... you ever thought about item 3123 / item 3165 ?

venomous frost1 votes

that is assuming you are AA'ing him all the time, which you can't if he is under his turret or the wave is in a bad spot.

Urgonnalearn2day1 votes

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that is assuming you are AA'ing him all the time, which you can't if he is under his turret or the wave is in a bad spot.

It's a late game suggestion....

You never really shut nasus down you just delay him. Those items basically make dealing with him late game MUCH easier.

PS - I honestly think he's a great champ because he adds to the gameplay.

Geminicomet1 votes

You cant possibly auto attack him enough times to keep his health down for long since he excels at farming under tower with his Q so executioners wont be putting in any work until late game by then its mostly too late and morellos wont do much either since you can hardly even get him under 40% in lane.

BadmoonBC1 votes

Nasus is definitely stronger this season. Not sure how anyone hasn't noticed it.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Nasus is definitely stronger this season. Not sure how anyone hasn't noticed it.

Is he? With the current metagame as a diamond Nasus main I feel he's borderline troll pick in high elo as you get raped in lane without people even trying that hard.

BadmoonBC1 votes

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Is he? With the current metagame as a diamond Nasus main I feel he's borderline troll pick in high elo as you get raped in lane without people even trying that hard.

Sure maybe in diamond But us lesser humans in gold/bronze/silver have trouble with him still I used to always trash him with pantheon but with the erasing of mana pots n crystal flask and the introduction of corrupting potion I don't have the mana to keep him down early like I used to. Quinn would work tho well I'm sure

Geminicomet1 votes

That's another good point a lot of champions that can counter nasus but relied on mana pots are just shit outa luck now haha. nasus Q only takes about 20 mana so if he just plays safe and does nothing but Q he never runs out.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Sure maybe in diamond But us lesser humans in gold/bronze/silver have trouble with him still I used to always trash him with pantheon but with the erasing of mana pots n crystal flask and the introduction of corrupting potion I don't have the mana to keep him down early like I used to. Quinn would work tho well I'm sure

Ye well idk if nerfing him to absolute trash in high elo is the right move. Why should we make a champion unplayable there because people in lower rankings don't have the necessary skills yet to beat him?

Geminicomet1 votes

No one is talking about nerfing him to trash. Im talking about pulling back his sustain a bit so he isn't such an overbearing presence constantly in top lane. With every new change that comes out nasus just gets more and more staying power and its starting to get a little bit much. Nasus has always been the "annie" of top lane so im fine with him being strong we should just have more ways to fight him other than just going teemo and hope to god you can poke him enough to stop his late game.

Urgonnalearn2day1 votes

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No one is talking about nerfing him to trash. Im talking about pulling back his sustain a bit so he isn't such an overbearing presence constantly in top lane. With every new change that comes out nasus just gets more and more staying power and its starting to get a little bit much. Nasus has always been the "annie" of top lane so im fine with him being strong we should just have more ways to fight him other than just going teemo and hope to god you can poke him enough to stop his late game.

He's not though; you just think he is. If a diamond is saying he's meh.. nerfing his sustain will kill his play at higher levels.

Geminicomet1 votes

Yes because any comment any diamond says is just the end all be all because they are perfect? haha, pulling back his sustain a bit wont hurt him as much as you say at higher levels because of the plethora of other things he has at his disposal. something tells me you just want to keep your nasus freelo. Literally the only argument you have brought was "pls don't nerf muh susan"

BadmoonBC1 votes

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Ye well idk if nerfing him to absolute trash in high elo is the right move. Why should we make a champion unplayable there because people in lower rankings don't have the necessary skills yet to beat him?

Whoa man I never said nerf him. I just said he's definitely Feeling stronger this patch. And yea I agree you can't really nerf him or he jus will die out. I'd like to see them maybe change something to make his jungling strong again tho

Geminicomet1 votes

Yeah you can bully nasus in all elos but now it does nothing. before now you could poke down a nasus and keep him behind but he would still have a chance to come back later. Now you can bully him all you want but he will just heal all his damage back to full from under turret. If you truly are a nasus main I know you notice his insane amount of sustain now with the tools iv listed in my op. Now its like if you are a mana champion you will have to recall because you either have to waste your mana trying to stop his farm with no results or save your mana to defend against gank and let nasus farm. Its less terrible if you are a manaless champion but at that point nasus can just wait for the lane to push under tower and pretty much stay indefinitely which also allows im to farm.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Yeah you can bully nasus in all elos but now it does nothing. before now you could poke down a nasus and keep him behind but he would still have a chance to come back later. Now you can bully him all you want but he will just heal all his damage back to full from under turret. If you truly are a nasus main I know you notice his insane amount of sustain now with the tools iv listed in my op. Now its like if you are a mana champion you will have to recall because you either have to waste your mana trying to stop his farm with no results or save your mana to defend against gank and let nasus farm. Its less terrible if you are a manaless champion but at that point nasus can just wait for the lane to push under tower and pretty much stay indefinitely which also allows im to farm.

But a farmed nasus isn't even that great. I mean, just in the presence of a metagame toplaner such as Poppy Nautilus , without even winning lane, you'll always keep him in check in teamfights. He's forced to split all game long to be relevant. It's basically Nasus only strength to be a sustainy duellist that goes splitting. Without sustain, well he can't trade and he can't farm minions because he gets too much damage from his opponent. If Nasus can't outright beat other champions in a mid-lategame laning scenario (assuming he didn't feed), he's absolute garbage, since his whole point is to have a very strong mid-late laning (sustain, good all in potential). Like, he would have no point whatsoever, he's weaker in teamfights and if he can't have a powerful impact in splitpushing and a reward for surviving a hard early, what is he? A champion with weak early and bringing nothing useful mid-lategame to his team?

But about the fact he's immovable and lifesteals everything in lane, that's not true at all. He was better before. At a point doran's shield was way stronger ; and his lifesteal was 14/17/20%. Currently it's 10/15/20%. He hasn't been buffed in any way and the meta favouring agressive toplaners doesn't fit him. You must have fought against better nasuses than the ones you usually go up against.

Geminicomet1 votes

Nasus may have not been buffed in anyway but everything sprouting from the game is. Plus the meta shift to aggressive top laners doesn't effect his farming from under tower because no one can dive him unless you have a tanky jungler just go full on under tower and even then he has ult, wither ect and no it wasn't a better nasus that usual most if not all nasuses can do this with ease unless they are just terrible hes not that difficult to play.

To address your other points what nasus do you know actually tries to trade? None of them do literally every nasus just buys a sustain item and plays the farm game so it wont hurt his trade. As for his split pushing yes I know that's his thing its been his thing well...ever since the beginning pulling back his sustain isn't going to effect his pushing power and damage he can do to turrets. Saying he will have no use from a tweak to his sustain is just ludicrous he will always have that same pressure they all do which is either babysit him before he turns into an unkillable raid boss or end the game fast....before he turns into an unkillable raid boss. Which I will admit with matches ending faster this season can put a halt on his cheesiness that's not always the case in solo que.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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Is he? With the current metagame as a diamond Nasus main I feel he's borderline troll pick in high elo as you get raped in lane without people even trying that hard.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nasus

http://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/

Seems to be doing fine.

Geminicomet1 votes

I think people are too busy complaining about assasins to focus on one of the highest sustaining champs in the game right now lol. Like theres no way to suppress his farm in lane now cause hes up there just hiding under turret just healing all his health back with no items at all. Im talking about nasuses that start corrupting potion....I had one use all three just for some extra mana and stayed top with NOTHING I had to recall before he did.

LXII1 votes

He is pretty ridiculous. Barring a Teemo matchup I usually just rush one defensive item to counter my laner and after that it doesn't matter who they are, they can't kill me, so I just ignore them entirely and farm while getting back obscene amounts of hp on every hit.

Vecuu1 votes

Nasus is just a farmer who excels at split-pushing and mid-game power spikes. Either play a ranged harass champion and punish his lane, like Teemo, Lulu, Lissandra, Pantheon, or play a hard CC tank like Malphite, Naut, or Maokai. It may seem counter intuitive to go tanky, but as long as you have an in-meta damage jungler such as Nid, Graves, or Elise, you basically set up free ganks to keep his farm down. Similarly, Nasus doesn't have very good botlane TP ganks, so just make him TP to lane, and just go get your ADC a double kill at 10 minutes.

mogonk1 votes

But the biggest change this season is game length, which directly works against Nasus, making all your points irrelevant.

It really doesn't matter if he can survive the first 20 minutes better now when the game is already over by then.

And if you can't push Nasus out of lane or kill him with any of a dozen champs that counter him, the problem is that you're just bad with those champs. His sustain is not so high that he can tank Panth spears all day, I promise.

Geminicomet1 votes

Im not talking out of my ass here iv seen this exact situation happen. There aren't mana pots anymore so this pantheon harassed this nasus nonstop until he ran out of mana then just healed it all right back up. You cant defend what people actually see with their own eyes.

doomblade1 votes

I think that the sustain wouldn't be too bad if nasus was punished for hiding under turret. If a Nasus realizes he can't beat you outright at any point, The almost immediate reaction is to turtle under tower. And the second the lane gets pushed he gets his stacks anyway. And he can quite easily freeze the lane there. Personally I think if he got less stacks well farming under a turret. It would fix the lower elo problem, without hurting his play in the upper ranks. Maybe the further from turret he is the more stacks he gets from the last hIt, maxing out at 4 or so. This would force him out into the lane more often, or at least make it so he can't just turtle under tower for 6 minutes and suddenly go from getting destroyed to destroying you. Essentially making his play about risk like most every other champ. As is it doesn't matter how badly he starts off, if you make it to the 20 minute phase and your team isn't significantly ahead, he can just split push, teleport to any lane where there's free farm. And quickly become at best a headache, at worse a death sentence.

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