If Pyke's R is simular to Darius R: Does this make Darius an Assasin?

UnknownTerritory·Jun 9, 2018·1 votes·1,335 views

Think about it

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D357R0Y3RJun 9, 20182 votes

pyke R does instantly full damage darius ult needs darius to attack 5 times to increase the damage

UnknownTerritoryJun 9, 20181 votes

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pyke R does instantly full damage darius ult needs darius to attack 5 times to increase the damage

When you kill somebody you can kill again - Darius

AzadetheJun 9, 20181 votes

Pyke R is disruptable, not instant. Darius's is not.

Darius's Ult carries "Unstoppable" Status.

Pyke's is just a Blink, at which point he can be CC'd/Killed while the dagger falls and it won't even activate, but will go on cooldown.

D357R0Y3RJun 9, 20181 votes

ok? one more reason to treat darius as a juggernaut instead of an assassin also i didn't say it's instant, i said it instantly does full damage meaning that he doesn't have to do anything to amplify the damage

AzadetheJun 10, 20181 votes

Nah but Darius' Ult can do 1300+ Damage, whereas even a full build fully loaded Pyke can only do about 860, and for Pyke's to be an execute.... it actually has to be unmitigated by heals/cc/etc, and they already have to be low HP.

Darius can ult at relatively high HP, and doesn't have to kill with it late game. His bleed can finish the damage off.

If it's a skilled Darius player, he uses his ult about 4 times as efficiently as Pyke's.

It's like comparing Elise's Q to her E: One does increased damage at high HP. The other does increased damage at Low HP. They might both be % damage, but they are very different in operation.

D357R0Y3RJun 10, 20181 votes

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Nah but Darius' Ult can do 1300+ Damage

Darius ult without any AD built with passive 230 ad will deal 950 damage to reach 1300 damage, you will need to buy yourself 220 bonus ad

which will never ever fucking happen

AzadetheJun 10, 20181 votes

K for one.... right now..... Darius' current topping build (pre upcoming Sterak's Nerf) is item 3078 item 3053 item 3065 item 3742 .

Ignoring Rune structure, that's up to: 223 Base AD + 25= 248 AD.

Under his most popular high win run, Conquerer, he has 9 AD + 9 AD (Coup De Grace) from the rune set. That's 266. Conquerer Primes it to up to 301 AD, and another up to 230 from his Passive.

That's 531 AD when he ults.

223 of that is base AD, or 308 BONUS AD.

On Full Hemorrage, that's (300+ .75*308)*2 = 1062 True Damage Ult.

That's just at 4 items. There's still room for item 3071 or item 3033 to add another 40 AD.

40 more AD = 1,122 True damage ult.

And that's not all.....

Infernal Drakes, and Barons push the damage output up too.

Full Build Darius with 1 Infernal:

1,163.76 Ult.

2 Infernals: 1205 Ult

3 Infernals: 1,247 Ult

That's also pre Baron, pre item 2140 , and soon Sterak's is going to be BONUS AD, which means Darius will have its AD transferred into his Ult, making it even higher.

On top of that, Darius's Ult applies a 5 stack Hemorrhage on hit ult, which does another big chunk of damage along with the true damage.

5050BSJun 10, 20181 votes

Darius's Ult can be paused. Zoe can and so can Bard

AzadetheJun 10, 20181 votes

No. It can't. It comes with Unstoppable Status:

ACTIVE: Darius becomes Unstoppable for 0.25 seconds and attempts to execute the targeted enemy champion, dealing true damage, increased by 0% - 100% (based on Hemorrhage stacks).

He can be CC'd and it will resume after his ult, but it cannot be stopped in the process of the strike.

Bard is a special case here... because he not only would Stasis Darius, but the target Darius is striking. In other words, Darius R would not get disrupted, but his target is Stasis'd, and therefore his Ult has no effect on the target.

Zoe's Sleep does not interrupt the skill mid cast. He will be slept after the Skill is over.

thaBeastJun 9, 20181 votes

have you seen full ad darius

UnknownTerritoryJun 9, 20181 votes

I have seen but: Pyke is an assasin and Darius is a tank. Yet they have simular Ults

Kurt HyzanJun 9, 20181 votes

Darius is a juggernaut, same as Garen. Is Garen an assassin ?

UnknownTerritoryJun 9, 20181 votes

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Darius is a juggernaut, same as Garen. Is Garen an assassin ?

No Garen is not an Assasin because he can use his Ultimate once and then it's on cooldown. Im talking about that ultimate reset

Bigrig107Jun 9, 20181 votes

Pyke isn’t an assassin because of how execute ult. Pyke is an assassin because of his stealth and dash, combined with the hook (that Darius does sort of have, I’ll admit), but Darius doesn’t have the mobility of an assassin.

UnknownTerritoryJun 10, 20181 votes

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Pyke isn’t an assassin because of how execute ult. Pyke is an assassin because of his stealth and dash, combined with the hook (that Darius does sort of have, I’ll admit), but Darius doesn’t have the mobility of an assassin.

His R is simular to an assasin because it resets and you can use it again and again to kill everybody. Darius is Tank/Fighter and i don't think tanks or fighters should have like assasin abilities. Its strange when you think about it. And yes Darius has no mobility but his R doesnt fit in his kit

TakaDamaJun 10, 20181 votes

Darius is not an assassin nor should he be built like one. However, during the ganking and teamfight phases of the game he should be played as an assassin with more durability and less mobility, provided your carry has peel watching out for them.

Even if Darius fails to trade himself for the enemy carry, the enemy team will have to expend a significant amount of attention and resources taking him down, allowing the rest of the team to do work.

5050BSJun 10, 20181 votes

They are only similar because of the resets on kills. They are very different.

ParoeJun 10, 20181 votes

I wanna point out; An assassin is defined as a champion with burst who is hyper mobile - they have get in and a get out mechanic, usually on the same ability.

Pyke is an assassin because of this, but hes a LOT more remeniscent of a diver than a true assassin. Divers, if you didnt know, are "would be" assassins who have an assassination pattern - go in and burst a squishy - but lack the get out to keep them safe, forcing them to build a little tank. Kha'zix would be a diver if his E didnt have its reset.