Veigar needs a buff

Uriel··1 votes·1,697 views

As a Veigar main, Season 8 has been getting more and more worrysome in competitive play. Where in Season 7 I could easily maintain a good ratio, all the changes in Season 8 has been putting Veigar in a really weaker light. His winrate is getting worse and worse with each patch, because of the following changes that are affecting midlane; Zoe being released (a champion that can outrange Veigar), no more Morello's, Zed being buffed for the second time this season, Brand's passive being buffed, Spellbook nerf, stopwatch nerf... Everything that Veigar could offer in both early and mid-game is gone, and his means to CS and survive early game have diminished too. I'd hate to say it, but these changes, combined with the strength all meta midlaners are getting, is pushing veigar out of his lane. Morello's was his only access to his greedy mana costs and cooldowns he has, and that's gone now.

The midlane meta is very poorly in Veigar's favor. Especially in Bronze <-> Gold; Brand + Lux Outranges him, can consistenly poke him very hard without loss of CS time. Velkoz + Xerath Q and R Outranges him, even when behind turret. Zoe + Morgana Outranges him, can ignore E. Akali + Zed + Katarina Ignores E, can easily snowball / dive Fizz his E fully ignores Veigar's whole set of abilities While a good Veigar's lategame blows everyone off the charts, his early game is usually his make-or-break. Either he stacks/farms well enough to become relevant in the game, but if he doesn't, he's worthless. And with all the changes coming in his disadvantage, it's now near impossible to get a proper game as Veigar midlane. With all these changes, Veigar now really NEEDS something to stay relevant through the entire length of the game, rather than only at the 25+ minutes mark.

8 Comments

Ahri Baka2 votes

What if I say he needs a nerf?

  • The champions you mentioned are already making all mid laners suffer , not only him , except Lux , you should take her out of the list actually
Uriel1 votes

He already had a nerf in 8.2 Or well, "nerf", more like Riot was just making minions way more aggressive when trading. Lots of champs got this nerf.

Beacon Academy1 votes

But bro... thats only new aggression towards target spells...

rework trundle1 votes

nah hes fine

Uriel1 votes

His winrate trend since season 8 says otherwise, though :/. He has already dropped 5% WR overall.

rework trundle1 votes

Hmmmmm

Blue = win rate, grey = pick rate

Beacon Academy1 votes

Have you ever considered that maybe there is an issue... with you?

The items I see you get:

RoA -> If an champion is weak early game, why spend all your money on an item that is weak early? Even tear is better mana-wise at only 750g

Abyssal Mask -> Again an item that is only ever going to get big damage later in the game. Plus its gonna have its range nerfed eventually.

And the biggest one.

Zhonya's -> This is a "please hit me with a skillshot" item. And you know what this tells me? That you don't ban Zed. It has low AP and only 10% CDR. It fucking sucks to rush. So ban Zed. Other mid laners can be played against via prediction and dodging their shit.


Literally all you have to do is:

Have a mana sustain early game for farming.

Rush AP for mid game.

Position well in team fights by staying back and using your team as bait for traps.

You know where the enemy is when they're targeting your "teammates"

That is again... Literally all you have to do

Optionally you can go for mobi boots to roam with mid laners or roam to get other lanes ahead.


Personally I go

Comet/Magic Hat/10% CDR/Gathering Storm-Future Market, 5% CDR

Doran's Ring + 2 Pots

Tear + Boots

NLR x 2 + Mobi Boots / in no particular order

Deathcap

Archangel's Staff

W/E the fuck else you want

58% WR atm

If you're stomping, then stomp.

If you're losing, use team as bait and scale until you start stomping and then keep crushing them.

RussiaKitty1 votes

I also main Veiger, i can understand what your saying. I feel as if Veigar should have a slight mobility buff, and a range buff completely. I find it hard to catch up with others as Veigar and i feel like a range buff could help, his basic attack and Q should have a range buff as his Q should be a longer range, it can help hit people running away who survive an E, W or R hit, but many can out run him. His basic really just needs a small rage buff as well, if possible. His Q and R is my main range issue, for long range attacks I seem to have to be close to use them and are risky to use. Veigar's potential is being taken away by his range and mobility. If his range were greater he'd be a powerhouse, but it wouldn't make him invincible, he still has weak armor and no real escape route if you get close, i just feel his battle mechanics should be buffed as his Q and R are risky to use. His Q and basic should have the range of Brand is all im saying.

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