Rammus

Blyted·Dec 4, 2015·3 votes·1,107 views

The last 2 people on my team who played Rammus jungle went cinder into giants belt and proceeded to die a lot.

Is rushing thornmail not the right thing to do on rammus anymore?

14 Comments

Live2LetDieDec 4, 20153 votes

It has never been the right thing. Thorn without health is useless and you can die instantly.

Cinder, boots, then health and armor

BlytedDec 4, 2015

With the way games snowball now and the change to thorn I think it is better to go straight into thorn after cinder.

Live2LetDieDec 4, 20152 votes

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With the way games snowball now and the change to thorn I think it is better to go straight into thorn after cinder.

My recent build has been mobis, cinder, then deadman, then it's all situational. Thorn is not a must on rammus.

after those three items it depends if they are outputting more ap than ad or the other. Then you build appropriate items

Very Hard EngageDec 4, 20151 votes

i used to go

golem -> mobi homeguards -> sunfire -> thornmail, but that fell out of favor a while ago. i would just be a "in your face, here i am, dont mind the diana hitting your face, because 3 second taunt OP" back to base, powerball + homeguards and repeat.

now i go cinder -> ninja tabi -> thornmail (much more aggressive) -> health. this way i can ensure gank success by dealing a lot of damage in the early game. im not a fan of the newer builds for rammus, it just doesn't seem to work well.

rammus without early gank pressure just seems weak overall. which should be great for league of early game and league of snowballs, but no matter what first 2 items he gets he never feels powerful.

when rammus builds health "by being efficient and making use of his free W stats" it doesn't help him out in ganks, he needs the CDR and mobility and roaming power to do it. early health is planning for the late game.

rammus needs item 3067 item 3117 item 1031

PapaGreg21Dec 4, 20151 votes

I think thornmail first is a mistake because it's really not the same item that it used to be, plus it was always something that worked significantly better after getting another tanky item. I agree with the guy that said to get deadman's first.

Meep ManDec 4, 20151 votes

I personally get Cinderhulk and then it depends on the enemy team. If its a "ADC Team" they get a Thornmail. Anything else, its Deadman's.

Maximum MordeDec 4, 20151 votes

I tend to rush thornmail, boots then giants belt. The Giants belt then is usually transitioned into a Rylais, but the option is there for a defense item if the game calls for it instead.

Then again I play lane Rammus, not jungle.

ULTRA RAMOOSEDec 4, 20151 votes

Riot has turned the jungle upside down and wrecked all the AD tanks in it's wake of destruction. As a rammus only player, you need to complete the jungle item, basic boots, then rush thornmail, but the nerfs on tm are hard now, then there's the increase on cost for tm. Yes, rush tm, but don't expect much now that they reduced the utility and increased the cost.

DopaFeedDec 4, 20151 votes

After finishing Cinderhulk I grab a item 3190 but only if the enemy team has a generally strong AP mid lane.

Examples are: Ekko Lux Ahri Veigar Heimerdinger

Grabbing item 3190 will prevent you from being deleted when going into mid lane, and keep your teammates from being deleted as well. Then I proceed to build item 3075 after to keep me alive when going bot or top.

If the enemy team has an assassin in the midlane I find going item 3075 after building your Cinderhulk item, I tend to build an armor item such as item 3143 or item 3742 . Whether or not the enemy team has a jungler who does extreme amounts of AP damage will decide if I build or item 3190

Silents429Dec 4, 20151 votes

I don't play Rammus but I am pretty sure you never rush item 3075 not on any champion actually.

The RewrittenDec 5, 20151 votes

My build path:

item 1039 item 3715 item 3117 item 1413 item 3742 then the last three items are completely situational.

A Palmtop TigerDec 5, 20151 votes

Never rush thornmail. It scales with bonus armor now and the armor gained is only significant with the health to back it up. If anything Dead Man's Plate is a far better item to rush after cinnderhulk.

NogrimDec 16, 20151 votes

ramm can be an exception due to all the extra armour on your "w" which should always be up when you are taking damage anyway

NogrimDec 16, 20151 votes

as a ramm main. cinder is a safe bet early, then boots then maybe thornmail. the armour requirement really hurt its early game strength making cinder clearly a lot better in the jungle.

before we have cinder i usually built sunfire, boots then thornmail