What happened to late game?

Samseong·12/25/2017, 7:45:41 PM·29 votes·2,641 views

Ever since preseason hit everything got chaotic (And we all expected that from a preseason). But something to note is with the removal of laning Catchup EXP, are games decided too early? Leads are near impossible to lose and games are decided in the first 10 minutes. Late game champions never see their power spikes because the game is over too fast. 8.1 is dropping soon, will we ever see late game again? How would you fix this?

34 Comments

Harden Stepback12/25/2017, 8:29:23 PM14 votes

No such thing anymore, which ever team feeds more before 10 mins loses. Also the useless state of towers is another aspect to consider.

DeusVult12/26/2017, 3:41:10 AM7 votes

Short answer: ADC itemization, specifically crit is underpriced by far, you can get 75% crit with IE, a completed zeal item and another zeal. So by 20-25 minutes ADCs are destroying everyone but armor stacking tanks. The good assassins are some of the highest banned champs in the game, so you have to take a second class assassin or mage to counter ADC threat. Support defensive itemization is godlike, while offensive options for them are lacking. Past 30 minutes, if the ADC has a brain they will add LW and tanks become 5-7 second meatshields. At most. Most games dont even last that long.

DunkinNoobs12/26/2017, 9:01:44 AM4 votes

"Games never go late anymore."

"Nerf Twitch/Vayne/Kog'maw."

Pick one.

Ipressbutton12/26/2017, 2:26:12 PM3 votes

LC$

Bloodrage Shadow12/26/2017, 1:20:57 AM3 votes

Late game champions don't see their power spikes? Twitch/Vayne/Any other late game ADC reach late game status at 2-3 items now lmfao. Mid game is pretty much late game now and its been like that for a good part of season 7 lol.

hhaavviikk12/26/2017, 4:47:54 AM3 votes

late game arrives when the ADC gets 2 fully built items

Ahris12/26/2017, 7:16:44 AM2 votes

adcs get their power spike super early now too. The only late game scaling champ that is problematic is veigar imo .

Andrey034512/26/2017, 7:50:53 PM2 votes

What happened to late game?

FTFY

CleverSloth12/26/2017, 8:07:53 PM2 votes

Late game: definition: A myth perpetuated by those who played league during a time when the average game lasted past 20 minutes. Today late game typically refers to the first time an ADC backs and upon returning takes down 3 towers in the next 4 minutes.

Usage: "we entered late game when jinx finished her BF sword and then got first inhib around 8 minutes."

LegitBusinessman12/26/2017, 5:15:05 AM2 votes

Late game starts at 3 minutes.

FCJAAAAGOOOO12/26/2017, 3:13:28 AM2 votes

Answer: there are only two classes now. Everyone's either a support or a hypercarry. Tanks, bruisers, fighters, mages and marksmen that fall off eventually no longer exist.

Trias00012/26/2017, 1:40:03 PM1 votes

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But something to note is with the removal of laning Catchup EXP

I didn't even know something like that existed. Whenever I fell behind in levels, I stayed behind for the rest of the game.

WDG Devour12/26/2017, 2:53:23 PM1 votes

They clearly want the game to be shorter so the best thing to do would to be bring the late game closer to the desired shorter game times. Right now the late is too far out and is rarely reached.

Woodakoodashooda12/27/2017, 3:53:05 AM1 votes

Remove first blood on champions.

Remove first blood on turrets.

Increase turret range on champions (including True Sight), but maintain current turret range on minions.

Bring back buying permanent ward upgrades for gold.

Either remove stealth and rework ALL champions who use it OR provide more true sight options for ALL champions to better counter it, but nothing as inexpensive as pink wards.

Remove item 1051 from the game and replace it with item 1042 in all items it builds into.

That should be a good start.

Mokuto Bunshi12/27/2017, 5:02:38 PM1 votes

Maybe junglers had a bigger impact than previously thought...

buckeyebob4512/25/2017, 11:10:11 PM1 votes

Late game got a fast pass and now arrives around 25-30 min :)

The Soulforged12/26/2017, 1:55:16 AM1 votes

Tanks are king lategame.

XDDD12/26/2017, 3:42:17 AM1 votes

Main reason games are so snowbally is how valuable assists are and how powerful supports are, being able to run around the map and force plays without being punished due to assist value. On top of that, base gold gen is absurdly high. They snuck in increases some time during S6 (I believe) while adding a few types of catchup XP. Runes like Kletpo, triumph, and Legend(alacrity/tenacity/vamp) or takedown stacking runes further incentivise you to group for no reason since they are alternative way to get gold/stats other than farming.

So now everyone groups as 5 and run around like morons even with no objectives up since farm is worthless compared to assist gold + xp + takedown rune stacking. I have usually trouble outleveling people I flame horizon if they group more often than me. If you add value to farming or cut value from assists, then people will start to care about waves more often, the deathball meta will weaken, and lategame will come back into existence.

Again issue is farming being fucking worthless and assists having way too much value.

junglerboy1612/26/2017, 6:17:30 AM1 votes

I'd fix it by buffing tower health and resists (none of this BS "we'll give you 300 health for 20 armor/mr"), and letting their damage and resist stats keep scaling longer during the game/start scaling sooner.

Kingdom Corn12/26/2017, 6:20:29 AM1 votes

I have only had like 4-5 games above 40 minutes in the past few weeks, mostly on gangplank because of how good he is at stalling with his wave clear.

ÈvilMorty12/26/2017, 6:27:56 AM1 votes

buff towers hp, dmg, attack speed, raise gold prices to zeal items and nerf items across the board starting with adc and assassin items then see where it goes from there.

E GIRL SNIPER12/26/2017, 6:39:59 AM1 votes

Just petition riot to go next the season hasn't even started yet and it's already the most god awful in lol history. New runes are cancer and make tons of stuff op, banning ornn is a requirement to win, zoe needs her kit reworked, and shield/heal supports still haven't been gutted.

Cubical12/26/2017, 6:50:01 AM1 votes

Ever since preseason 6 its been like this. We dont want you to have to wait for late game anymore :>

Kage Kayn12/26/2017, 6:56:51 AM1 votes

The last few games Ive played a team was already taking inhibs at 17 to 20 minutes.

Ahri Baka12/26/2017, 12:53:27 PM1 votes

The game in generall starts when Zed or Talon or any item 3147 user recalls and come back with a item 3134 , if he builds item 3147 , then it's full build for him , and do no expect to kill them if they have item 3134 and item 3155 , they won , and if any adc builds 2 completed items while you are playing a mage that isn't Malzahar , don't expect to kill them