Why do I have to beat Diamond & Plat players to get out of Bronze 3? (Flex Queue)

Divisions don't matter. MMR is what matters. If said golds are matched up with bronzes then their MMR is too low. I have friends that after promotion games went to bronze from gold. I on the other hand never fell down from silver.

[{quoted}](name=Stranger Ways,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3Mhuu4EP,comment-id=00010002,timestamp=2017-01-16T14:52:53.156+0000)

Dang, you did some homework. I suspect that you are missing something though...

You looked at the placement of these players in this season. Did you check them last season? The number of Diamond and Plat borders that I see on my own team (and in post, looking at the opponents) is quite high. My complaint is not that I'm special, just that matchmaking has some really funny ideas about what people's rank actually is.

You'd be surprised how many people you see with Diamond and Plat borders are actually your skill level but were boosted or are on purchased accounts.

I can tell you right now that there is no way an actual Plat or Diamond player would be matched with a Bronze player.

The Gold player that had Diamond borders was Diamond 5 0 LP and has a 40% winrate this season in Solo Q after 29 games and a 56% winrate in Flex Q in Silver 5. When you look at his S6 stats it is obvious that he had another player on his account when you look at his champion stats. Champions that he never regularly played he has really high winrates with and stopped playing after he hit Diamond. That is not a thing. When people are good enough with a champion that they can reach Diamond with it they don't suddenly stop playing that champion any more or at all in the next season.

The other Gold player with Plat borders is in teh same bboat. He is Gold 4 in solo q with a 'decent' winrate but only Silver in Flex with only a 56% winrate after 54 games. He has the exact same trend where he seemed to get into Plat playing champions he doesn't usually play and being successful with a high winrate on them and then stopped playing those champions once he hit plat.

You can't look at people's past ranks and think that is a good indictator for their current skill - ESPECIALLY IF THEY ENDED IN DIVISION 5 LAST SEASON. Boosting in this game is pretty popular and sometimes you'll catch a game with some boosted shitters. In your case the Plat and Diamond were actually in a premade together. Chances are they have each other tricked into thinking they are actual Plat / Diamonds and hoping the other carries them back to Plat+. Based on their match history they are struggling. A Real Plat or Diamond player would not struggle in Bronze/Silver MMR.

And from the games I can see that was literally the ONLY GAME I could find where you had Plat/Diamond duo in your game. The Vast Majority of your games the people were Bronze/Silver and the occasional Gold 5 pleb.

Even though normals are still relaxed I don't see any reason they shouldn't make the matchmaking somewhat strict. A player needs a good practice environment before actually doing ranked, and if normals are messed up by imbalances where 1-2 players easily carry the game they won't be properly prepared.

in theory yes, u should play against other bronze until promos for silver. That is not how it is though, last season as soon as i hit b2 i had nothing but silvers and low golds. What a pain, i just stopped playing altogether, because this is a competative game but riot sacrifices competative integrity for que times.

[{quoted}](name=Stranger Ways,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3Mhuu4EP,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-01-16T02:01:32.881+0000)

I feel ya.

I wouldn't be so upset if it was Normals, but like, this is Ranked Queue. The fact that I got initially placed in Bronze 5 (which I have never been in the history of my years of playing league) was painful enough. But shouldnt I play against other bronze players then? This is just... saddening

I don't agree on the sentiment of playing in lower elo's being painful, on the contrary playing through bronze and silver after placements during the beginning of season 6 was about the most fun I ever had in a ranked environment, to my surprise. The games and matchmaking were often quite balanced and fun, rarely a onesided steamroll.

By the time I got to high gold, is when the clown fiesta started happening, people who obviously didn't belong in gold or plat at all turned just about every match into a clown fiesta (I don't blame them though, I blame bonobo and matchmaking).

Which was odd, seeing as matchmaking on my part worked perfectly before that and if I was the balancing lever on my team (the one with highest mmr/best performace, there would always be someone of equal skill/performance on the other team to even the odds or two that were maybe not quite as good but considerably better than the rest) making for really fun and giving games, yet somehow when I started to reach my normal mmr ratio that all went out the window and I found myself often having to play with full rows of high silvers, gold 5's against full rows of low-mid plats. That's what I call taking the balancing lever concept to the extreme making for onesided stomps, where my team was just about always on the recieving end.

I'm hardly that good but for some reason (having reached gold with almost 75+% winrate) the game seemed to think so and game thus proceeded to give me the most ridiculous matchups (ever played against a plat 3-plat 4 premade with the rest being either gold 1 or plat 5 with a team of only non-premade silvers? Believe me, it's so hard it borders on ridiculous since it's impossible to cover of up the weakness of every lane at all times) I considered to be both unhealthy to my experience and unfair to me and my team since it seemed to expect far more from me than I could actually give and if I was even remotely as good as the system seemed to think, why wasn't I even allowed to skip ranks in the first place? Now I wouldn't complain if this was something that only happened once in a while, but contrary to belief, it happened consistently and ALWAYS during promotions, making me often feel cheated and making the ladder feel completely pointless.

From the looks of it this season will be just as big of a clown fiesta so I'll just get to gold 5 and settle at that. To aim higher just doesn't seem worth it based on my priorites.

Cudos to those who still have the patience to go through with it.