How do I deal with certain champions?

Acemaster81·Sep 12, 2019·1 votes·2,286 views

How do I kill or safely lane against certain champions?

My mid lane champion:

My bot lane champions:

Problems:

Edit: In fact, no matter who I play, Caitlyn is always hard to catch and kill for me.

24 Comments

usul1202Sep 12, 20191 votes

Which champs, and who are you playing?

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I showed my mid and bot pool.

usul1202Sep 12, 20192 votes

Anivia and diana can do well into Kat. As anivia just shove the wave in constantly post 6. And scale, rush your roa for tankiness. Don't cast q until her e is on cooldown, save your wall for her jungler or (if you're feeling lck) you can use it to interrupt her ult.

Diana is a game of waiting, you can hold your e to interrupt her ult since you have no other use. Play safe until you grab some AP, and then force her with all ins the moment you get an item advantage. She'll out sustain you in trades once she gets a gunblade/dd, but if you can poke a q or 2 and then all in (make sure to not push wave to keep this as an option) then you can snowball off of her.

Veigar, it's a lost lane. Her combat style counters his, and it's one of her few true winning lanes.

Koggles is pretty much cait's bitch early. Use your w to farm if needed, whenever she goes for an auto on you try to trade one back (2 if w is up) and don't step on traps. You spike midgame earlier than she does, so don't fall too far behind in lane and just try to reach your spikes.

Sivir can abuse cait's meager wave clear, especially once you get a bf sword. Abuse your w poke, try to avoid taking a lot of headshots, and once you can control the wave you wanna shove her in and poke with q until you're at enough of an advantage to all in. Cait is weak under her own tower, but do make sure you've got river warded before pressuring her.

Mf lanes, regardless of champ, are all about positioning. Never allow her to double up off of a dying minion, and try to avoid getting hit by q's at all. Her trading pattern beyond q is extremely movement speed reliant, so if you tag her with an ability at the beginning of a trade she'll lose her ms and be at a big disadvantage. Sivir w/q and kog e are good for that, and let you extend the trade (which both of those champs win hard if you extend, unless supp match up is weird). Midgame force fights in lanes, Mf thrives in jungle where it's hard to get out of her ult. If you have to walk through jungle, take the super safe path.

This was pretty broad since I don't know your playstyle/specific problems, but I hope it helps!

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I like to mostly play safe, but that causes problems when I'm supposed to be more aggressive in lane. I should also put Kaisa here too since I really can't see how I can kill her, it seems to be a "mutually exist in lane or die".

usul1202Sep 12, 20191 votes

Playing safe and scaling is perfectly acceptable on champs like anivia, veigar, kog and sivir, but you have to do that important part of scaling into a threat. If you play safe early and then just hang out mid to late and don't have an impact, then your early weakness wasnt worth it. Diana you do need to snowball on.

Kaisa is a weird one, you want to fight her when an ability or 2 is on cd (since they're decent length early) and you want to fight in your own minion wave, since it kills her q damage and makes w hard to hit. Avoid extending trades long enough for her to get 5 stacks.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I guess I don't do well with more agressive playstyles. But some weak early champions I just don't play well enough or understand. Like Twitch, I am an awful Twitch player. I don't know if I like being strong early, but I feel it's very satisfying to survive, farm, and become a powerful champion much later. Rather than dominate early and fall off somewhat later. I hope to learn some melee champions though since autofill exists and playing something that I am familiar with in other roles would help my understanding of League.

usul1202Sep 12, 20191 votes

Don't feel too stressed to lock yourself into different niche's of early/late, aggressive/passive, plenty of players mix between them. Focus on finding where you're enjoying the game and are capable of playing well, and build from there.

Jimmy RustlesSep 12, 20191 votes

Gunna have to narrow down the pool a bit

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Katarina is an assassin, so naturally, she eats up immobile mages that don't have a defensive tool. She can jump right through Veigar's cage, and anivia also has an uphill battle, trying to hit her with a slow moving stun that she requires to start doing damage with her blizzard. Even compared to other mages these two in particular are pretty weak into Kat. I suggest finding a different champ for the match up, or playing as far back and using your spells to farm as much as possible until you get jungle support. Diana seems like a skill matchup against katarina though.

If you want to try out different mages that might be a little easier against Katarina,

Annie has her shield for when she decides to go in and do her ult, plus an instant stun with guaranteed burst damage with her passive. She also has a very long range if you just last hit with her autos and q which get reduced cooldown and refunded mana to keep farming and get her stun up more quickly.

Malzahar Is safe to lane against her, and his silence can stop her ult. He can also ult her whenever she tries to do anything in mid-late game.

I'm less knowledgeable about ADCs but I do recognize that Kogmaw is very late game oriented with a terrible laning phase. Compared to that, Caitlyn and Miss fortune are both notorious for their powerful laning phase.

Sivir would have a better chance against them though, and even counters Caitlyn since she can use her spellshield to gain free mana off of any traps she sets in lane, effectively nullifying that entire skill. She can also predict a net with a spellshield.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

While you are here, I feel like hook lanes are mostly auto-wins. Sometimes it feels as though I can't even farm, especially if Kayn or Zac are around. What do I do?

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Hooks are only as good as the mistakes you make. That being said, theres a few options.

invest in early boots if you think the extra ms will help you dodge. farm behind minions band poke the support when they step aggressively to try to position for a hook. ifthey're at 40% by the time you get hooked you might win anyways.

If you have the reactions, sivir's spellshield is useful for hooks. Ezreal's E will cancel a hook, But things like Tristana's jump will be cancelled and she'll get pulled in.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

My main issue is that when certain champions that have hooks walk through or around the minions and make things really awkward. They get too close and standing in the middle of minions makes pathing weird.

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Thats them correctly using their pressure to zone you out and make you lose farm.

Best thing you can do is poke them down while dodging hooks and hope your support isnt sustain and can all-in

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

So if I, or my support are a Soraka then we basically lose lane automatically? Well, maybe not Soraka due to her silence.

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Used to main raka. Hook champs were scary. It also depends on the adc but typically

Sustain beats poke supports.

Poke beats all-in tanks(and hooks)

All-in tanks beat sustain.

Zyra can poke a blitzs to the point where its dangerous to land a hook, but leona can provise enough peel and toughness to turn it around if she or her adc get hooked.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I think I mostly play poke/sustain. Soraka is like both if you are good at landing Q and can respond to all-ins with E.

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

She's very good. If you're good at positioning and know where to ward, you can get away with leaving flash. I like doing exhaust/heal. She can also get away with buy a Mejai's if the game is going well. Her Q is pretty good poke in the early game, but when it comes to teamfights her strength comes from heals and silencing assassins like zed or big channels like fiddles ult or nunu ult so she can stay as far back as you'd like.

It's been a while since I've played support, but Sona is great too. Build full AP on her and she spams constant teamwide speed boosts, shields and 700 damage pokes.

Morgana is another favorite support of mine. Very safe, very long range, and has utility sure, but will melt people if you build AP with Liandry's and hit a QE.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I've actually seen that combo several times, I don't know why, but I think it's funny how little it does early then it melts mid to late. I've got some jungle related questions, but I'll work on adc and support.

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

add me in game if you wanna duo sometime. After I get to platinum i'm gonna take it slower with raned and start getting good with other champs. I'd like to brush up on my Rakan and I've always been terrible at ADC so that's something else I'd like to start playing

Acemaster81Sep 13, 20191 votes

I'll be sure to, I don't really play competitive much but who knows what elo I'll be in when I decide I want to. Right now I'm iron but that could change, I could actually play at a silver level but bronze might be more reasonable.

KeiagaSep 13, 20191 votes

Dont sell yourself short. I dont hace much mechanical skill. Playing with the right gameplan and champ can get you to gold easy

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

I occasionally jungle when I get autofilled, and when I do I have at least 2 options. Warwick and Rammus . When is it safe to run in for a kill? She almost never uses her net unless I'm there and then I'm kited to death. She can even use it to dodge WW ult at ease.

Lost RSep 12, 20191 votes

Katarina? Let her come to you and lock her down after she uses Shunpo, and not before.

Fortune and Cait? Long range strikes to whittle them down. Stay adjacent to minions with Fortune, not behind them, and for Cait, stay behind them and serpentine if you attempt to approach her to nullify her net. If you are hit and still a long distance, back away.

And of course, as always, bring backup if you aren't a tank. If you are a tank, bring backup. This is a team game.

Acemaster81Sep 12, 20191 votes

Some champions are impossible or frustrating for me to gank when I have to jungle. What can I do to Heimerdinger Illaoi Camille Azir Caitlyn Ezreal Lissandra Tristana Zed