Zhonya's Armor Stat is Useless for Mages, and Here's Why

Ronin One··6 votes·1,307 views

Look at these three items: item 3147 , item 3142 , and item 3156.

You know what these all give? That's right, armor pen. Basically, all mid lane assassins build these three items if they are going against an AP mage such as Ahri or Leblanc. So how much armor pen do these three items give you? Well...

item 3147 Gives +10 armor pen item 3142 Gives +20 armor pen item 3156 also gives +10 armor pen

Now mind you, Zhonya's only gives +45 armor... sooo basically when you build these items Zhonya's will only give +5, that's right, +5 armor. Less than cloth armor, the cheapest item in the game. Plus this is also assuming that the assassin you're going against doesn't have armor pen runes, and basically ALL people that go assassins mid probably have around +5-10 armor pen on their runes. SO IF WE CONSIDER THAT! You're getting +0 OR -5 armor.

But what if the mage gets item 3047 ?? Well, item 3156 exists... so basically if you wanted to get at least some magic pen against the assassin you will be sacrificing the valuable magic pen you get from item 3020 .

23 Comments

Penns6 votes

+5 armor, thats right, 1 item gives more armor than item 3156 item 3142 and item 3147 give armor pen, which cost 9700 gold. So useless.

Ronin One2 votes

Ok so what you're telling me is I need to build item 3036 to counter that +5 armor PLUS the amount of base armor you actually get from leveling up? Okay then. My point is assassins have too many options compared to mages. Like, give the mages another armor/ AP item. Because I mean they item 3139 have item 3156 manyitem 3111 more options.

Edit: Mind you most AD assassins build these items against mages anyway, no matter if they build a Zhonya's or not. An exception may be duskblade.

Penns1 votes

No AD assassin really ever builds item 3139 so the only AD/MR item they have is Maw... So its kinda even

SnugglePuggle942 votes

I have been seeing a ton of AD assassins taking that. I've even seen a Riven take it awhile back.

Bodkins Odds2 votes

While Riven can assassinate, she's more of a light fighter.

SirPacifista1 votes

Im on your side Centurytactics, but i think you made an aweful example with these items.

Make one like, AP champs can ONLY buy item 3157 , which does have a nice effect but which is worthless against 95% of AD champions. Try using stasis against ... well any AD, they can wait and autottack you to death....

But AD on the other hand can buy item 3140 item 3137 item 3139 which all give a big amount of MR + Damage AAAANNNND can completly negate a CC, at any time the user desires. And They can buy item 3156 item 3111 item 3180 item 3155 item 3512 which all give a HUGE amount of MR, and have very good effects, Like item 3156 (which is insanely good against any ap champions), or item 3111 which gives 30% FREAKING 30% Tenacity, makingh most CC, even if they are skillshot not nearly as effective.

Ohh and did i mention that and Ad can buy any health item and be near impossible to kill for an AP champion? Where AP champions on the other hand can be killed in a matter of seconds, if they dont go full tank (which would be stupid)

These would be a better arguments in my View, since armor pen is a bit of a strange theme.

Ronin One1 votes

Yeah this goes to show that assassins have too many options compared to mages. Like c'mon Rito, seeker's armguard only builds into one thing (Zhonya's)

WukongMain4 votes

so assuming you don;t build zyhonyas.... instead of having 45 armor to combat their 40 armor pen...you now have 0 armor pen...

no matter how much armor pen they have, armor will always be effective to some degree.

you're also forgetting that hourglass is 1 item whereas their 40 armor pen is 3 items. lets assume you rush hourglass they rush their highest armor pen item youmuus.

you have 25 effective armor that their youmuus is not penatrating.

that's a pretty good deal is it not?

It took them 9,700 gold and 3 item slots just to penetrate the amount of armor 1 item slot and 3,500 gold gave you. and still you had 5 armor left over.

i'll take it! this leaves you 4 other items slots (not counting your boots slot) that you can use for either more armor(if that's what you want)..you can get HP...AP...AD....honestly anything, the skies the limit friend.

and them? LOL they only got 2 slots to work with(again not counting their boots as a slot)....

AlwaysByMySide4 votes

So what you're saying is that an assassin built three expensive items to counter a single one of yours?

Holy shit mages are so awful!

Ronin One2 votes

I never said in my original post that assassins build these 3 items to counterbuild Zhonya's. The assassin build these items for the magic resist, passives and actives, and of course more AD, not to counter one item. So they naturally get the armor pen without worrying about Zhonya's.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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I never said in my original post that assassins build these 3 items to counterbuild Zhonya's. The assassin build these items for the magic resist, passives and actives, and of course more AD, not to counter one item. So they naturally get the armor pen without worrying about Zhonya's.

So what you're saying is that Zhonya's armour is useless because a class that specializes in bursting down squishy targets can still kill them?

Woooooow, you're suuuuuuper smart.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Don't listen to this guy. He's quite the rude, insulting person.

Ronin One2 votes

Yeah I know :(. I honestly wanted to have a friendly discussion on what ppl thought of my post.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Yea it's hard to get that now a days. If it makes you feel better I totally agree with your post.

Ruin Lance3 votes

i hope you realize, that it would be going through your base armor instead of the zhonya's armor bonus if you didn't have the zhonya's.

Ronin One1 votes

Then the AD assassins will get Lord Dominick's and will be going thru ur base armor now

Spicy Rice1 votes

If im not mistaken, % bonus armor pen is calculated after flat armor pen,l.

HEAljvLykd2 votes

Another pointless QQ post. Get better Bronzy.

Viperjcs19852 votes

So 1 Zhonya's counters 3 end game items worth of armor pen? neat.

SeargentAnus1 votes

Negating their Armor pen is a good thing. 0% reduced damage to 30% is a big deal.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Ya and the magic pen on Void staff is useless because magic resist exists

Chaotic Reks1 votes

You do realize that the armor pen on those items are UNIQUE passives right?

The Deckowner1 votes

the thing about armor is if you dont stack enough it is not effective. and for mages u cant really stack too much armor

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