Alright, fucking rework tryndamere already.

BBag0hxULG··136 votes·5,440 views

Right click the lane and press r. Nice man.

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Apocalypsic65 votes

I think the biggest problem is you have to force someone on your team to babysit the lane he's in so he doesn't solo end the game by crushing all the towers. Playing top against trynd actually just sucks the fun out of the game sometimes because you don't actually get to play the game with the rest of your team.

Marshbouy4 votes

same with nasus tho

FCJAAAAGOOOO6 votes

Honestly there are loads of champions that can pull off this strategy, just not as simply as Tryn. Their waveclear and damage costs mana while Tryn is resourceless so this simple strategy is easiest for him to pull off.

Think about it: Tryn's innate crit chance doesn't affect towers, he has no strong waveclear ability, he has no AS boosts in his kit and he usually doesn't benefit from a good chunk of his bonus AD while pushing on his own. He does not seem like the best candidate for splitpushing except for the fact that he lives 5 seconds longer than any other carry.

I think Tryn can be a perfectly good team player. There are a lot of good tank items now that he benefits from, namely the classic Spirit Visage as well as some others, and his W in teamfights can be really handy. Riot just needs to make top lane towers not made out of paper mache so that nobody, including Trodnomore, can pull off this particularly brainless strategy. There is nothing fascinating about seeing whether or not your team can win a game 4v4.

Edit: I didn't mean to reply to Exiled Cat haha. I agree with what he says entirely if anyone's wondering.

PhDs Nuts3 votes

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Honestly there are loads of champions that can pull off this strategy, just not as simply as Tryn. Their waveclear and damage costs mana while Tryn is resourceless so this simple strategy is easiest for him to pull off.

Think about it: Tryn's innate crit chance doesn't affect towers, he has no strong waveclear ability, he has no AS boosts in his kit and he usually doesn't benefit from a good chunk of his bonus AD while pushing on his own. He does not seem like the best candidate for splitpushing except for the fact that he lives 5 seconds longer than any other carry.

His E and Shiv proc, since he synergizes with crit really well, instantly clears minion waves. He's a crit-based melee ADC, so his build shreds turrets just as quickly as any other ADC. His W slow and E provide the perfect escape if the team (or at least 3 people) collapses on him, and his ult lets him 1v1 anyone that tries to stop him solo.

It Hertz When IP8 votes

You can't crit towers. While yes, he clears towers at the same rate as the average marksman ADC, those ADCs are often busy doing teamfight things that Tryn can't do.

He doesn't splitpush because he's magically better at it than anyone else, or even particularly good for that matter. He splitpushes because it's one of the few things he does well.

TimX24968B2 votes

lol. building trynd tank is like building braum attack speed for his magic damage after the passive and jungling with him.

BIAKaboose1 votes

Hey man, sometimes it's a good strat. The Heart may be the strongest muscle, but Braum literally punches through mountains, so beefing up his biceps is a close second.

Besides, you don't just go full attack speed, you just get Wit's End and Guinsoo's, everything else is tank + Titanic. Once you get Guinsoo's up and full Wit's End stacks you can stun people in like, Q + 2 autos with no help required. I'm not memeing I swear [slayer-jinx-wink]

Dr Poro1 votes

I actually got carried by an on-hit braum in URF once.

######or maybe it was the Jayce he was laning with :p

BIAKaboose2 votes

Who would go on-hit Braum in URF over AP Braum in URF? I have the Santa skin, I would want to cram as many Christmas trees up the enemy team's backside as I could manage and I'd make 'em feel it.

I mean uh... crap, crap, supposed to be a nice guy, I'm Braum, uh, Mother always said, don't Impale the enemy team mercilessly with pine trees lose, right uh, don't lose.

Melledoneus24 votes

All right, give them 15 minutes, they'll quickly rework him and hotfix it just because you demanded it so sternly.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Or just break his knees and make him unplayable or atleast not spammed like he currently is.

Melledoneus5 votes

That won't work. He'll just use his sword as a crutch and be even faster.

TimX24968B2 votes

AKA every bronze player's dream

"rework all the people who counter my main and buff my main because I need him to get me to challenger."

GULAG 4 U19 votes

Eh that's not how tryndamere works. I agree that tryndamere needs a rework, but your post is fucking garbage.

Silent Gravity17 votes

If he's so absolutely powerful, you should main him. Work your way up to challenger. Or, the more likely outcome is that you'll find many people able to outplay his ultimate. Then, armed with the knowledge that he can be defeated, study what they did against you, and act like them.

KoggyStyle1 votes

its not his ult......

Silent Gravity4 votes

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Right click the lane and press r. Nice man.

The post I replied to seemed to indicate that his ult was a main portion of the problem. What the specific problem, or annoyance (as Angus the Bear states) is does not change my advice. If a character is absolutely powerful, then you should main them. Doing so will either teach you their weaknesses or get you into challenger.

deadlychuck15 votes

Man, if only there was a champion who, in the mid and late game, could lock him down for the majority of his ult and then set up the kill for when it ends.

It'd be a shame if they were to remove that design because it "limits design space" or some nebulous bullshit like that. Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar Malzahar

KoggyStyle2 votes

i never ever recall calling malz bullshit XD

now he just feels like shit to play.

Melledoneus8 votes

You must not have been here in Season 4/5. He was as bullshit as they get, especially for assassins. He was a nightmare to deal with in the Zed era of League.

KoggyStyle4 votes

been around since pre s3 and there are worse champs.

Whiteeye Avelyn1 votes

So you say have a anti-fun laner be left alone just to beat a anti-fun laner, Cause i say no to that idea. How about they try to make them both not cancer to play against in the first play and be done with it.

deadlychuck2 votes

This is gonna be annoying to explain from the ground up.

TL:DR the reason they can't do that is because it creates a perpetual arms race.


So let's start here. Why is someone like malzahar or tryn considered an anti-fun laner? They aren't particularly strong. In malzahar's case it was said, it's because he's not very "interactive". Though now we need to decompress that word a little bit. What does it mean, in a game like league to be "interactive". Generally, it's going to be due to him having a low tempo of play, and punishing champions who try to play at a higher tempo of play. Other low interactive champions include ones like Ashe Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Janna Lulu Nasus exc.

So say that you make these champions which are not very interactive not "anti-fun". What would that involve? It would involve removing their ability to punish high tempo play. In which case, you've backed yourself into a corner design wise. You no longer can create low tempo champions, because high tempo is inherently better due to having higher precision of champion control. Yet, you can't create a high tempo champion which punishes high tempo play, because then their only weakness (being force into low tempo play) have been forced out of the game. So the only real option is to create high tempo champions which don't punish high tempo champions. Which basically just means that the higher tempo champion with the higher impact kit will be superior.

Now, the best solution to this problem would be to make high tempo champions more flexible in their playstyles. The only problem is that riot is actively preventing this by trying to increase class and champion "identity", which is directly counter to champion flexibility as it pigeonholes players into fewer play styles per champion.

Im The Jayce God11 votes

Kayle

Right click and presses R too.

Votable Jester5 votes

And she's in line for an update (paired with Morgana). I can't wait to see what they do.

SithesisLord1 votes

Most likely keep her basically the same but with less support-ish abilities. Her ult will have to stay if Riot intends to keep the angel theme still going.

Votable Jester2 votes

I'm more interested in Morg tbh, but I mained her for a while.

A Basic Island8 votes

my bronze detector is tingling

TotalJerk5 votes

Literally every item Tryndamere likes either got buffed or cheaper this patch. His win rate shot up and his play rate probably will later when people realize how sleeper OP he is right now.

Nosnide6 votes

That's not the worst part about him. You literally need to be scared of the game going past 30 minutes. If he so much as gets a small lead in any way he will start to snowball so hard. He scales insanely. You need so much CC and lock down for him..

BBag0hxULG3 votes

I didnt go into details, but yes. That is a huge fucking problem.

Only Play Darius6 votes

Complaining about Trynd when Kayle exists?

3TWarrior1 votes

2 seconds goes by like that compared to tryndamere

though it can be annoying if she ends up with the right build

Only Play Darius5 votes

That's a minor tradeoff when you consider she can give her ult to someone else, and it works without you needing to be at 1 HP. Without taking into account the rest of her kit.

TotalJerk1 votes

When you collapse on a splitpushing Kayle, she dies. When you collapse on Tryndamere he has a 50/50 chance of just dashing/flashing/ulting away, healing on some jungle camps, and getting right back to pushing another lane.

Only Play Darius2 votes

When you force a teamfight against Trynd, players with any sort of competency make it a 5v4. When you force a teamfight on Kayle, she has a decent chance of ripping your entire team apart with ranged hybrid AOE damage. We can all agree teamfighting is stronger this meta since turrets are made of paper anyway, Trynd just happens to be one of the only viable splitpushers right now.

Axtrous5 votes

His kit is just toxic in general.

Bladerunner77775 votes

someone got clapped

MorgManBasher5 votes

Actually play the character and come back.

I just tried learning tryn to expand my character pool, it's not nearly as easy as you think it is.

KoggyStyle5 votes

easy no, but people that know how to play him are absolutly annoying as fk to play against.

Rengooo4 votes

Would rather they went back through and fixed the handfull of shitty reworks before they go and play around with more. If they continue at this rate of reworking champs they are going to piss off A LOT of people, simply because their rework success rate seems to be 50/50. Which is fine but they need to address the ones that didn't hit the mark.

I agree though, Tryns kit is out dated.

koshkyra3 votes

Idk about trynd but we better nerf irelia.

Rengooo3 votes

Uhh, just incase you hadn't noticed, its 2017..

Wake up to the times grandaddy!

DarkRitual3 votes

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Right click the lane and press r. Nice man.

Not sure if talking about Trynd, or ADC's.

4th3t0s2 votes

It's not really tryn. I don't have a problem with a melee carry that literally embodies the fervor keystone; it's crit if anything that needs an overhaul.

TotalJerk2 votes

Crit isn't even the problem. The problem is that his entire gameplan after the laning phase ends revolves around not directly interacting with anyone on the enemy team. He just does nothing but push and run away.

4th3t0s2 votes

No, I mean I can understand him getting an eventual rework, but most of the cancerous traits during lane phase are entirely because of RNG and crit gimmicks. Splitpushing will always be a viable strat, I see no reason why certain champions can't excel at it; though it would be great if they could give him better teamfighting as well.

TimX24968B2 votes

you sound like one of the people who would rather just have 200 different variations of the same exact overloaded champion.

I don't think you have played against a tryndamere very much either. He's been my alt and I do way more than that. The only time something like that happens is if his opposing laner decides to give you a free lane and afk.

Dataless2 votes

Except he's named after one of the CO-Founders of Riot, so he's never going to get touched.

Doozku2 votes

The other one was Ryze... We know how that one came out.

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