'Vayne has weak early game'

Morgy Morgy·Aug 16, 2015·3 votes·797 views

says the crusty plebs that plague this game, meanwhile top lane Vayne is completely raping Garen, Darius, Nasus and literally every other top laner that isnt teemo and quinn.

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WolfChasesAug 16, 20152 votes

But ''Muh low range" :'(

Morgy MorgyAug 16, 20151 votes

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But ''Muh low range" :'(

'vayne has short attack range, 550 totally isnt the average marksman range, it's not like Draven Ezreal MissFortune Twitch Varus all have 550 range either.'

Lord DusteonAug 16, 20154 votes

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'vayne has short attack range, 550 totally isnt the average marksman range, it's not like all have 550 range either.'

And Vayne can only interact within 550 range. EVERY other adc can either interact outside their normal range (Draven ER, Ezreal QWR, Miss Fortune ER, Q bounce, Twitch E, but he also massively increases his attack range to compensate lower normal range, and Varus QER). Vayne cannot; Q is a tiny reposition (which does not increase her range at all), W is an AA buff, E is a 550 range CC, and R just buffs her passive, Q and autoattacks more. If you are 551 range away, Vayne cannot harm you. Every other adc can.

stuartk11Aug 16, 20151 votes

This pretty much comes down to concluding the fact that she doesn't have any long range harass. There is a difference between being weak, and being dominant though.

Morgy MorgyAug 16, 20151 votes

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And Vayne can only interact within 550 range. EVERY other adc can either interact outside their normal range (Draven ER, Ezreal QWR, Miss Fortune ER, Q bounce, Twitch E, but he also massively increases his attack range to compensate lower normal range, and Varus QER). Vayne cannot; Q is a tiny reposition (which does not increase her range at all), W is an AA buff, E is a 550 range CC, and R just buffs her passive, Q and autoattacks more. If you are 551 range away, Vayne cannot harm you. Every other adc can.

but vayne has a 2 second cooldown q and a passive that makes sure you are always in attack range for her. no other adc has this except maybe kalista.

Lord DusteonAug 16, 20151 votes

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but vayne has a 2 second cooldown q and a passive that makes sure you are always in attack range for her. no other adc has this except maybe kalista.

No other adc has an ability that makes their autoattacks pierce and outrange turrets. No other adc has a AoE root. No other adc has a global stun. No other adc has massive magic damage for building physical and physical for building magic. No other adc has a skill that reduces all their other cooldowns by 1 second. No other adc has bonus gold on kill and +85% AD damage on autoattacks.

Guess what, kits tend to not be the exact same. Also guess what? Vayne's passive is 30 movement speed when CHASING. Any form of slow nullifies it completely, and unless she has vision and is running directly at you she doesn't get anything. The only reason you would always be in attack range of her is if you missed your CC's and/or REALLY fucked up your mobility spells. Hell, her Q actually LOWERS her DPS lategame from the cast time and meh travel distance.

EndlessSorcererAug 16, 20154 votes

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'vayne has short attack range, 550 totally isnt the average marksman range, it's not like all have 550 range either.'

Varus has 575 autoattack range. True fact.

Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

Ashe WR Corki QR Caitlyn QR Draven ER Ezreal QWR Graves QR Jinx WR Kalista Q KogMaw QER Lucian QWR (Targeting a minion) MissFortune QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Quinn Q Sivir QW Urgot QE Varus QER

Tristana and Twitch are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.

Lord BoltrixAug 16, 20151 votes

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Varus has 575 autoattack range. True fact.

Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

WR QR QR ER QWR QR WR Q QER QWR (Targeting a minion) QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Q QW QE QER

and are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.

Don't forget Mordekaiser now!

EndlessSorcererAug 16, 20151 votes

I might add him. This topic comes up so much that I just saved one of my posts on it a while back and paste it when appropriate.

It seems to be a really common misunderstanding or mistake.

WolfChasesAug 16, 20151 votes

Dude get real, Vayne's 550 range is shorter than 550 of any other marksman because she's Vayne and she's known as an epitome of a low range among marksmens. :P

Similar as Zed being an epitome of mobility while Azir is fine even tho he's more mobile than Zed having more range, better peel and CC :D But Zed will always remain as the most mobile champion in League of Legends.

Lord DusteonAug 16, 20151 votes

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Dude get real, Vayne's 550 range is shorter than 550 of any other marksman because she's Vayne and she's known as an epitome of a low range among marksmens. :P

Similar as Zed being an epitome of mobility while Azir is fine even tho he's more mobile than Zed having more range, better peel and CC :D But Zed will always remain as the most mobile champion in League of Legends.

Azir's maximum range is 1100 for E, followed by 875 for Q. Outside of 1100 range he cannot interact with anyone. Zed's maximum range is 1450 for WQ, followed by WR at 1175 and normal Q at 900. Outside of 1450 range he cannot interact with anyone.

Azir's mobility is on a 19-15 second cooldown at a max 1100 range. He moves (at 18) 73.33 units a second effectively. Zed's mobility is on a 18-14 second cooldown at a max range of 1100. He moves (at 18) 78.57 units a second effectively.

So not even counting his ultimate Zed has better mobility. And Zed has higher effective range.

WolfChasesAug 17, 20151 votes

You are right, but only in theory. Azir's spells allows him to deal some kind of sustained damage considering that he can hit you approximately 3 times with 1 soldier slowing you while Zed can poke you ONCE before his WEQ combo is ready aggain which won't be anytime soon considering that his W is on 18 second CD almost till the late game since you ma it last. Azir can CC you/Your whole team with his ultimate which also deals a lot of damage, etc, etc.

Zed has mobility and damage while Azir has Mobility, damage, sustained poke and CC in his kit.

Not to mention that Azir can clear almost the entire minion weave with a single soldier while he's standing under his turret :'D

redniwediSAug 16, 20151 votes

What?!? Vayne only stomps Garen in top lane if the player playing Garen is bad at the matchup. You shut your dirty mouth.

360D3GR3SSAug 16, 20151 votes

Vayne does have a weak early game simply because she has several auto attack enhancers but no actual abilities besides condemn. While other adcs have auto attack enhancers AND actual abilities that increase their damage output early on.