A look at the support role and why I get depressed.

St0rmln··129 votes·17,692 views

I love dominating a game as a Lulu, or Leona, or any of my other strong supports but at the end of a great victory I'm left nothing to show for it. I don't get a good K/D spread or any cs, I don't even get some end game statistics. no "effective CC done" no "wards placed" no "damage shielded"... There is almost nothing in the history or after game report that tells anyone I did well. AND, being that I'm the support i very rarely get verbal recognition. Honestly it really slaps the smile off my face when the end game chat is all about our Carry like i wasn't even there.

Now I know a lot of this is due to a poor community of players, and maybe people in general not giving a good pat on the back, but can't Riot do something about this? Can i get some number somewhere that tells me I Supported that game and rocked! Can I get a number of times I saved someones life so that I can recognize it even if they don't?

Show the Support some love please.

Just a thought.

213 Comments

RiotRiot Sweet73 votes

Supports can be under appreciated. It's true you don't necessarily have anything to show for efforts. But take heart. Your wards make a difference, your self-sacrifice makes a difference, and your dedication to protecting your carry and your team makes a difference. I don't know if there is anything in the works to show supports more love but I do know that as a great support player your contributions are known — not only by yourself.

Great ADCs know they'd die without you. Great Junglers know they'll rely on you. Great Mids look to you for protection. Great Toplaners lean on your synergy to survive.

I play support pretty often and my personal code is generally this:

“A great man is always willing to be little.” ―* Ralph Waldo Emerson*

PaperMache717 votes

Great ADCs know they'd die without you.

Don't you marksmen? Huehuehue.

DSRM Mobius11 votes

“A great man is always willing to be little.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson oh dang. that almost made me cry.

Senfaria5 votes

Thank you for this. A post about a videogame has never hit me so hard in the feels.

Luner Hunter3 votes

unfortunately you are the rioter who has replied on this subject... but Fearless and Morello have had the irreversible impression that the developers at riot games don't give a flying F%@# about supports.... especially this junk

“A great man is always willing to be little.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

NO ONE PLAYS LEAGUE TO HAVE NO KILLS, NO CS, and NO RECONITION!

To compound this riot developers constantly nerf support's dmg, CC, hp, movement speed, scaling, ect while leaving monsters like Zed, Fizz, and Lee Sin intact because they make the #LC$PLAYS where as mages and especially supports arent allowed to have the "instagib" fantasy (lets not mention that in MOST games other than LoL mages tend to be MORE POWERFUL than the melee/AD counterparts but have longer CD's and less HP) let alone the HEALERS fantasy that some of use would LOVE to have all the while having to deal with the CRUMMY (to put is nicely) ADC that you get stuck with 95% of the time! If your ADC isn't decent then you're losing lane, and if you're losing lane its YOUR fault not the ADCs... >.>

not to mention Morello HATES healers... he's said it himself in a couple posts... but what about use players that want to play healers? and have that healers fantasy? well the developers at riot games didn't give a shit because when well over 300 posts (each) in atleast 4 threads i can link right now said not to rework sona fearless almost quite literally said "we're the developers we'll do what ever we want with our game" and reworked sona... after gutting her.... and gutting her..... and gutting her again.... ya know that old "gg X is broke better nerf Irelia ?" well its been replaced with "gg X's broke better nerf sona" countless needless nerfs leveled at her even though shes not "op", "oppressive early game" (that's why you nerfed her late game scaling right?), or "toxic because she undoes the dmg done to a champion" (like the retarded amounts of life steal EVERYWHERE doesn't already do this?) , and "no one likes the war of attrition" because why? who likes playing vs instagib Zed, Fizz, Lee Sin? but they are allowed to exist and be monsters (again because of the) #LC$PLAYS

now to revisit this!

“A great man is always willing to be little.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

Then why doesn't the ADC give a few kills to the support? they are suppose to be the "great man" "attack damage carry" but NOT ONE OF THEM IS WILLING TO BE "LITTLE" and give kills to ANYONE ELSE hell they aren't even willing to give a kill to their jungler who ganked for then OR their APC... fed adc + fed support = good synergy + items HOWEVER if you so much as even ACCIDENTALLY kill one while saving your ADC's ass its "wtf ks gg ff@20 you're a terrible support"

Zamiake2 votes

Agreeded. Folks i've been playing support since roughly around season 2-3. Ive recently taken up maining it in S4 and went into ranked support main at the end of S4 going into 5 here. I am on the verge of quiting the role completely cause of the changes and slander thowing devs.

Why is it that in league specially with the devs attatiudes toward the support role is being turned into the "you are 100% the bitch of the team and will do the most mediocore things to insure victory" theme is making me reconsider my hundreds of hours put into the role over the years. Im good enough that i could switch to maining top or jungle instead of playing "Bitch Simulator 2015" all day.

So i think i will. Im done with this role riot you've killed it for me. It was fun and all but ya you are killing it and if i wanted to be some ones bitch i would let my husband top me. But nope not gonna happen any time soon unless its a blue moon and i feel like it. But that is becoming very very rare.

Also is it rare that i get a competent adc anymore. I cant cover for their shitty choices less and less with mages and supports getting nerfed to hell

Luner Hunter2 votes

and if i wanted to be some ones bitch i would let my husband top me.

lololololololol! ohhhhhh lmfao! nice!

on to more serious shit i'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way!

Also is it rare that i get a competent adc anymore. I cant cover for their shitty choices less and less with mages and supports getting nerfed to hell

omfg! this shit is sooooo true i can't tell you how many times i've been playing Nami landing EVERYTHING and my adc is all "hur dur ima keel dis minonz... oh your cds are blown? i'ma dive nao!" ... and worse... and its even worse when rito wont let me make up for my fail of an ADC "cuz rito say wai u need dmg? u haz CC u no need anything else... we're just gonna go over here and buff zed, fizz, and lee sin"

Zamiake2 votes

The double wammy to that is im gay. I know what is characteristic of bitch and what isnt. I wont play the part of a bitch literally. Support role needs to not be define as "the teams bitch".

seriously riot you are better then that. You always have. Who ever is trying to lead you down this path needs to be fired or harrassed until they resign

Luner Hunter2 votes

needs to be fired or harrassed until they resign

his name is Morello he's litterally said he hates heal, healers, and supports, he's also said if he could he would remove them from the game

10Tickler9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sweet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2uBEAkY7,comment-id=003a,timestamp=2015-01-17T03:05:59.972+0000)

Supports can be under appreciated. It's true you don't necessarily have anything to show for efforts. But take heart. Your wards make a difference, your self-sacrifice makes a difference, and your dedication to protecting your carry and your team makes a difference. I don't know if there is anything in the works to show supports more love but I do know that as a great support player your contributions are known — not only by yourself.

Great ADCs know they'd die without you. Great Junglers know they'll rely on you. Great Mids look to you for protection. Great Toplaners lean on your synergy to survive.

I play support pretty often and my personal code is generally this:

“A great man is always willing to be little.” ―* Ralph Waldo Emerson*

Except that's not what Riot said that it wanted from a support. I play a lot of Support myself, Started in Season three. Now, I can only place a total of four wards on the map, one of them always visible. The rest of my team buys trinkets, and maybe one might place one during laning, but then the second it's over, it's up to me, with my four wards, to somehow cover the entire map's vision needs. Dragon, baron, their jungle, our jungle, escape routes, invade routes, backdoor routes, everything. I can't do that anymore. Do I have enough gold? Hell yeah I do! It's just a pity that I can't spend all that gold on what my team really needs, which is a babysitter to place their wards for them. Then riot gets mad when a Support does their job too well, E.G. Sona, and continually nerfs them into oblivion. Sona was the perfect support, then she was nerfed, then changed, then nerfed some more for good measure. She can't go mid because she lacks damage now, and she can't protect and sustain properly, because her W's AP scaling was trashed with no good reason or QoL improvements to make her any better.

Then we get into the other problem. Burst mages who get shunted into the support role because they can do it better. In season 3, it was Annie and Zyra, and they've only gotten worse with the new gold improvements for supports. Meanwhile, traditional supports like Janna, or Nami have to struggle to keep up because of increasing mana costs on a low budget, and no AP ratios to Justify the hits they've had to take. Should Nami's bubble do half of an ADC's HP in one shot? No, but it should sting, same thing with Janna's tornadoes or W, both of which feel early like they lack any power, and lategame like they should hit like a truck, but by this point in the game, everyone's got Resistances and Lifesteal for sustain, meaning that any impact that they have is completely negated.

I've taken to countering the Burst-Mage epidemic in botlane with champions like Shen and Galio, both amazing in their own roles, but in bot, they can actually take the huge amounts of burst that Champions like Annie, Zyra, and even (God save us) Ahri can provide.

I don't know where in Riot's structure you happen to call home.

But, and this is coming from the bottom of my heart.

Please, look at Supports, look at the role, and sit down, and ask yourselves. Where do you want this role to go into the future? Because at this rate, your Traditional Support Archetypes are going to get phased out for something new at every turn, and that's honestly just a shame, because it is, and can be, the most difficult and rewarding role to play. I love supporting, but when the game can't give me the tools that the role requires, I'm just going to move on.

Remove the ward cap on Green wards, or at least make it bigger if you take the support role. Do like you did with Machete and Smite, but with Exhaust for all I care.

Reduce the amount of Gold given for Assists and just sitting in lane with the Amulet. Make Amulet more than just a holding-pattern item and make it a little more involved, like the Spelltheif's edge or the relic shield.

Bring the skill back to supporting, bring the niche back home, make it less generic and more enjoyable for everyone involved, please riot.

DatKiva3 votes

copypasta this into its own thread if you haven't already, I used to main support cause supports were fun, now because they nerfed all the supports i favor those bursty archtypes or the off the wall supports are making an appearance and doing the job better than other supports, it's bullshit that supports who could go mid or top get nerfed to all hell then have mids and tops that can support sit at that role without batting an eyelash. im not saying nerf or change those other roles out of the possability of supporting, but bring back some of the power so they can atleast be on par with these ap support bots

DoFr49 votes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGy5ZJ8cSUE

it's just the support's life

MetalGearTeemu22 votes

{quoted}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGy5ZJ8cSUE

it's just the support's life

Misses every skillshot shifts forward and still misses at point blank gets hooked

Its like every Ez lane I've ever supported

WolfBV5 votes

2:52 "Yes, and it's all for you."Ashe Taric

Mek WTF26 votes

I main support, and I always feel like the ADC's success is my success as well. If my ADC has an amazing K/D/A and my assists are above 20, I know I've done my job well. However, I feel like ADC's deserve their credit. They have to focus on CS, avoid being focused in team fights, prioritize targets, etc.

I feel like bot lane is sort of like dance partners. The support is like the male dancer that has to be the muscle to lift up the female dancer to do these amazing moves. However, the female that is being spun around must have the COURAGE to follow through, and know that her partner is there to support her through those flashy death defying acts. It's the same with the support/adc relationship. You really need both to do well for an ADC to shine.

Zerglinglol6 votes

Agree with this. If my ADC gets a quadra or penta I pretend like that's my quadra or penta. Though it would be nice if you got a "support" penta or something of that nature.

A Bare Magician23 votes

PENTASSIST

Although I found it funny in a game where my leona was my support and I think I was ezreal, it was a while ago. I got really fed and when a big team fight broke out leo accidently got two kills so I lowered the other 3 and healed leo and just let her get a penta kill. Was funny as hell to see the support wreck everyone.

baelrune2 votes

you, you are a good man

junglerboy1618 votes

I hated it most when this happened one game after I basically suicided 1v5 to defend my team who were all recalling in a bush behind me that just got warded. They all went berserk at me in chat calling me a n00b and other crap, all because I kept the enemy 21-5-9 Akali and 19-7-5 Brand from pentakilling them after warding the bush.

ADC: "Why r u feeding them moron?" Me: "they were about to kill you all so I stunned them and held them off." ADC: "STFU, Such a noob, you're weak taric." Me: "they would have killed you Ashe." ADC: "I'm 13 and 0, I would be fine dumbass." Me: "only because I got you fed those 13 kills by peeling for your sorry butt." ADC: /all "Report Taric for feeding!"

...Sigh.

Jeddy0178 votes

If it's any consolation,I would have done the same thing. If it saves my team,I'll gladly 1v5 & hold them off with my body while my team retreats. Whether they rage or not,I kept them from dying.

PoRKNADO10 votes

As a tank/tanky bruiser main, I feel your pain. No stat for skillshots/CC blocked from a carry. No stat for lives saved. No stat for peels. No stat for tower tanking.

End the game with a KDA of 4/4/30 with a respectable 70% of the damage done to champs as our carries, but at the end of the match I still get crap like "GG Trundle useless champ". Congrats being on being a ranged AA champ that can snipe killing blows?

Plus50g9 votes

The FIve Curses.

If you're a ADC, you're a D-bag, no matter how you act. If you're Support, you never get loved, even if you carried. If you're Jungle, you lost the game, not matter how many times you ganked. If you're mid, you probably don't roam. If you're a top laner, you never leave you lane.

These are jokes, minus support, we really need to fix that.

Crownsy7 votes

you should be focusing on your deaths and assists. A high assist score coupled with low deaths = kill participation and not giving gold back to the enemy.

I will co-sign the wards counter though. That would be cool.

GaleWinUnleashed7 votes

Wards are shown in the online match history already, but nowhere in the League Client.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

League client is crowded enough, personally I think it being in the online history is good enough.

GaleWinUnleashed4 votes

There's certainly room in the end-game screen for a "damage shielded" statistic, though. As a Janna player, I'd love to have some idea of how much damage I'm blocking for my allies.

cshakes2 votes

Perhaps a new "Utility" section, with wards placed (or duration warded), CC applied, damage shielded, and maybe damage added? (How much extra damage your allies dealt with Janna shield's AD, Lulu's Pix, Leona's Sunlight procs etc)

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

I like the idea of calculating how much your damage buffs helped out. Particularly on Janna's shield (okay, maybe I'm biased on that one =P), as many players forget that it has any AD tied to it at all, because there's no particle indicating that extra damage is being applied.

Orbv6 votes

lolking displays seconds of CC applied. I think that would be nice to include in the result pages

Fisk6 votes

As a support main also, can confirm there is no recognition.

Grouchy Poro5 votes

I find if you give compliments you very quickly start getting them back. One of the best examples I can think of is I was playing teambuilder, Braum support, and the team's other bot laner was Volibear. I figured why not and was willing to give this all in kill lane a shot so we go in and honestly it was such a cool game. Voli was cool and we worked together to compete fairly well against the enemy mf and Sona, and with every good engage it was a 'gj' and a 'yt'.

We hit 6 and decide to rush for the kill but Voli goes a little too hard and runs a bit too far. Jump in with my w, e combo and block the Sona ult, then throw out my ult to interupt the impending MF ult that would have gotten her the double kill. One of the best plays I've ever made and I was acknowledged for it too; Voli praised me and I felt good about what I did.

I guess my point is that even if the stats say nothing it's nothing compared to when your teammates say you did good :)

Aevo 555 votes

I main support too, and i really think that these changes need to be made. I was playing a game as thresh and my ADC + mid walked into a 2v5 near drag. I ran away and they got mad because they died and i didnt sacrifice myself for them. they said "A support's life is worth less than an adc's" They walked into another 2v5 and i decided to try and slow the enemy team down. My adc and mid survived but i died, but a few seconds later they said something like "report thresh for feeding"

A few games later i was karma support and it was about 30:00 into the game. My jungler was pushing bot so i decided to take wolves for some extra gold, and suddenly my entire team (Not exaggerated) got mad and said "Supports dont need gold" or "That's the jungler's farm"

I dont think that there necessarily needs to be a stat in the end-game screen for wards of damage shielded, (although it would help a lot) I think the idea of a 'support' needs to be changed all together. Most people that dont play support think of the support as some useless teammate there to get the adc fed. That's generally the point of the support, but when it gets to the point where teammates treat you like a useless slave, something needs to be changed. Supports need to be moved from the 'help the adc then be useless' role to the 'help the adc then proceed to help carry later' type of role. I understand some supports bring massive cc to teamfights but nobody acknowledges that contribution usually. Ive started playing lux support because she can help in the lane phase and still bring damage to a teamfight, but i really want to play tankier supports like thresh and leona. Why should i have to chose between having fun and not getting yelled at by my team?

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Aevo 554 votes

That ended up being really long... tl;dr: people get mad at supports for not being slaves to the adc. I shouldnt need to chose between a damage-heavy support like lux and a support i enjoy such as thresh because of a raging team.

Subject 55 votes

Unless you are playing Thresh, Blitz and Leona i don't think you will recieve not recieve much love at all really-unless if you are playing with friends and like 5% of the League community who are considered to be nice people on the internet. This is just my personal experience, but playing supports who have more visual plays allow you to receive more congratulatory motives from your team.

"These thresh Q's" -Thresh "These Pulls" -Blitz "That Leona" -Leona "That bubble" -Only if you actually land bubbles all the time That tornado -No one ever That Lulu -No one ever That equinox tho -No one ever

It Hertz When IP4 votes

A "damage shielded" number would go a long way.

No Name 574 votes

Well, this was sad to read. Yes supports deserve that, it's only fair given how their counterpart exists. I personally never really notice this though. Because even as non-support, the people with better KDA usually aren't the only noteworthy person among them. I doubt people check how many structures they helped siege, or how much dmg they tanked regularly, because they know what they achieved. And it shows majorly in how many wins you can see in recent history. In my case the higher my recent win rate the more I feel I'm effective. Because even if I have higher kda and dmg and less in this and that game, that doesn't mean I did worse or better, because I didn't have the same things to work with, my team and enemy aren't the same every game.

Marinaras Trench4 votes

As an adc main, whenever the support makes a play I always congratulate them on it. TBH if a supp takes my kill, I get a little annoyed, but what astonishes me is when supps take farm when I am there. I don't say anything, because that just makes people play worse, but I don't care how bad you are as a supp, as long as you don't touch the creeps.

NorthernDruid2 votes

Just to be clear on the matter of taking CS, you're not including relic shield users proccing their relic shield there right?

Marinaras Trench5 votes

absolutely not, that would be ridiculous. If we can both get gold all the better!

NorthernDruid3 votes

Great! :D just had to check!

And don't forget the heal it gives as well.

NinjaToad992 votes

The only time I'll ever get CS is if the ADC has to choose between 2 minions who are about to die via other minions and he doesn't have good enough attack speed to possibly get both. IF (and only if) that's the case I'll take the other one.

Well, there is one other time. If I've got a spell thief's edge and and I'm about 30 gold away from a big item (Or even getting my GP10 upgrade + a SS) then I might take one then B and wait for the rest instead and get back to lane faster. But I generally only do that if we're both ahead of the other lane.

KailaTime4 votes

I am an ADC/Support main, and this is EXACTLY why as ADC, if my Support is making plays, and warding great, making the lane easy for me, and is pleasant, I will compliment the hell out of them the entire game, and in lobby, and honor them. Fantastic supports are incredibly difficult to find, so when someone commits and is great, they deserve the recognition.

Shesaidshe lvl182 votes

On the flip side, the support also never gets blamed for losing the game. As long as they keep they're mouth shut and play mediocre nobody will talk shit to them.

t3hJimmer4 votes

You've never played support.

Killstrado4 votes

No way he's ever played support lol

TwoD1 votes

So basically you want to look like that badass that gets all the glory while playing as support? That's for you to decide not Riot, it's up to you to make plays not Riot.

With that kind of logic and how you see things and want things, I'd suggest play Mid or ADC.

Luner Hunter5 votes

and that "kind of logic" is the issue ... who gets the "NICE JOB!" when the ADC gets the penta? the support landing all that CC? nope!, the jungler? nuh uh! how about the midlaner who laned the 5 man hourglass morgana ult? nope cuz thats "morgana ult+hourglass ez" but man that penta kill steal and the ADC feels like you should suck their dicks for it!

Credit is almost NEVER given where credit is due!

TwoD1 votes

Go look up the meaning of support.

Luner Hunter5 votes

i've been playing support since i started playing League i know the meaning of it! its to setup #theplays for your team / adc which means you deserve JUST AS MUCH CREDIT as the pentakill the adc got as the ADC does

Killstrado4 votes

What happens when the support leaves bot lane, the fucking adc dies and gets no kills.....we are quite possibly more important than most of the fucking team, and since no body wards but us but then decides the lack of vision top lane is still our fault lmao

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