I am the last azir one trick on the NA server, and I’d like to ask, why can’t my champ be balanced?

Hyquiem··2 votes·1,820 views

Obv no one cares but why not type for the sake of it.Azir played him for a loooooong time before rework after rework and so on. Though now I find it kind of an endless torchure, as I see it when your vs something like talon you can’t really do much then when your vs something like ahri you can do some nifty galifty but at the end you can’t do much. So I was wondering what was the hopes of changing the shurima shuffle I just want to know. As it sounded interesting when you gave the “azir mains the option”

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Electro5224 votes

I don't think his issues stem from him being unbalanced......just that in solo queue, you are far less likely to get a team that can play with him correctly.

He's a mid lane hypercarry, and due to that, you need to make sure he doesn't fall too far behind in the lane phase, or else you're playing a 4v5.

Problem is is that term "hypercarry" are only ever used for ADCs, thus people don't think much of their Azir that definitely needs their help.

This is why he is strong in pro play. Teams can play with him correctly.

Hyquiem2 votes

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I don't think his issues stem from him being unbalanced......just that in solo queue, you are far less likely to get a team that can play with him correctly.

He's a mid lane hypercarry, and due to that, you need to make sure he doesn't fall too far behind in the lane phase, or else you're playing a 4v5.

Problem is is that term "hypercarry" are only ever used for ADCs, thus people don't think much of their Azir that definitely needs their help.

This is why he is strong in pro play. Teams can play with him correctly

“I wither away since there is no one to understand me but soon they shall too and then I will gain revenge”. As I see it ethir the lack of people being idiotic matters more to pro play and elo as everyone wants to engage the fight but not wait.

Khristophoros3 votes

Azir could be balanced if Riot would give up on him having absolutely BS harass in the laning phase

Lauchmelder3 votes

Why can't Azir be balanced?

Because Riot listened to the bunch of Azir "mains" that wanted him to keep him in a broken state because of "muh Shurima Shuffle" instead of going for a balanced approach.

Kaìju2 votes

His kit is toxic

saltran1 votes

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His kit is toxic

They need to remove his insane movility, teamfight strenght or poke in lane.

If they keep it all in the same champ he NEEEDS low numbers.

Kaìju2 votes

I was in the camp to keep his range and remove the shuffle but people love playmaking so we got stuck with this rework that did nothing.

Neobus1 votes

Kalista main here. I have no idea why riot gave up on our champions. Its beyond me.

Honestly about tired of this back and forth bullshit. Ill just go play heroes or battlerite if i wan to pvp. i have been here since s2. and im starting to believe this season is gonna be my last season. oh wait. until the 4 year wait when these champions are entitled full VGU's

Iręlía1 votes

I thought Azir was doing well lately and was pretty balanced? From what I heard atleast.

My beef with Azir though is that when he was first being talked about, Riot said they wanted to go for a Chessboard feel of gameplay, but that doesn't really feel very "grand strategy" oriented with the way his kit is now. I would LOVE to see a rework that makes Azir control his Sand Soldiers like Abathur in HotS does. Just sits back and commands units.

I can picture Azir sitting on a couch and being fanned by his servants when hes in "command mode" commanding different kinds of Sand Soldiers around Summoner's Rift.

Poske1 votes

Give up Dude

First he had to suffer one of the worst reworks which amped his damage (and pigeon holed him into a role which is not fitting for azir which is hypercarry role) then every single patch note stripped that damage away

He is in a worse spot now then pre rework and he is 12903u1703912783901 times less fluid to play

Mcsquzzy1 votes

Azir can only be in a state of being broken (Good or bad)

Hyquiem1 votes

FUCKING AZIRS SAKE ENOUGH. Seriously the fact no one sees how easy it is to balance azir on the scales of a hypercarry but not adc, then at where an actual good azir would say the damage was never the issue, the issue was simple he wasn’t hyper carrying for a hyper carry. Though you throw item 3151 and a item 2139 then you do some damage like a vayne but without crit. The issue will always be simple and the main problem is that riot never understands is ethir an azir plays safe like standing on an egg or he engages 24/7 in a team fight. The only reason you fools probably hate him is due to his strong lane, where as you don’t see if some idiot is fed. Azir can’t do shit to him because azir only has 1 kill and 3 items. Then the fact remains where some idiot can play Annie. And beat 3 tanks while EVEN A CHALLENGER AZIR ONE TRICK OF THEY EXIST ANYMORE CAN DO ANYTHING IN THE RESULT SINCE THE ONLY WAY AZIR IS USEFULL IS WHEN HIS TEAM COOPERATES IN A FIGHT. BUT OH WAIT THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH AN IDEOLOGY BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING. So if you can understand the only reason azir isn’t the hypercarry is not only becuase he doesn’t have true damage but the degree of fed 1v5 can’t be accomplished unless azir has a full build where as a hypercarry can pop off 1 kill, but again the damage isn’t the key the key is how he can’t use all his abilities without throwing himself in a part of team help me or your regular team is running away. Unlike something who can’t even out dps you can still 1v5. The fact the shurima shuffle is so scary it’s not, then it’s also a fact that it isn’t used, because all you can do is go up and fight if you saw the TSM vs Flyquest azir only shuffled when some one was caught out but if you look in normal play basicaly not pro, but you see an azir shuffle only happening once. The fact they bothers to rework him into some sort of dps ap mage with a shield and 1 cc ability is just the most poorest category, Azir. Would still be fine if the E knock up remained no one asked,for such a champ of fat shield.

VvVVvV1 votes

Azir is still a safe champ to play with. I mean, when there are over 130 champs in the game and you can only name 2 others (talon and ahri) that you seem to have a problem against.......where is the problem?

Hyquiem1 votes

The problem, the problem is where riot creates soemthing unique where it attracts players, then you put a time bomb on the big gold bar and it slowly starts to melt and boom, it’s all spluttered. The fact is riot created a champ who could once out range an adc out dps but not out damage. Then they cut down the sole azir aspect of his range, and make him a champ in a category that ethir requires other 4 people to litterly have experience if playing with an azir and make the fight come to them, the issue is that this champ can get fed and carry some what but when it comes to a team fight he needs 4 people to think the same way of playing the team fight if they want to win. Or otherwise you shadow every unique aspect of the champ but then make it into a picker. Which is simple to catch put some one but usually that isn’t easy. Basicaly if riot ever thought adc was not a role, it was CARRY, NOT ATTACK DAMAGE CARRY. They could have changed so much now the only reseason azir exists is to show The applauding fail of a gift to korea side they can all work well with an azir, but take it to others you can see an adc coming and blowing you up while your still inching thier hp but wait once upon a time you outranged an adc, sadly riot will never understand old azir was the most usefull if they allowed his ult to be interactive to his abilities instead of some sort of wall. Putting to point, his ulti is just the smaller wall of taliyah with 250 ap damage, where they could have changed azir’s w to a deffend solider.

Souji1 votes

Azir counters Talon. He outranges him. Huge lane bully. You're probably just playing it wrong

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