She can play every role, and still carry. Does insane damage, heals to full like it is nothing, has gap closers, escapes, ranged nuke... pretty much everything. Old Nidalee was less toxic than this, why has it been allowed to go on for so long?
Perhaps a change to her heal, making it heal for less and have a longer cd? This way we don't take away from the core of what Nidalee is.
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Lynxonyx3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-31T09:32:14.220+0000)
Nidalee is balanced. Sadly she's going to get nerfed because of people like you. This is why low elos shouldn't be allowed to post on G&B.
That is not balance, she is literally the definition of imbalanced. She has everything in her kit except hard CC, but more than makes up for that with her mobility, her heal, and her huge dmg. I have played this game since season 2, and have a degree in Game Design and Theory (where I was the head of my class, btw), and have worked in the video game industry. I am more qualified to make these observations than you, regardless of ELO.
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Lynxonyx4 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T10:05:33.247+0000)
Lol you're low elo, stop trying to convince me that you know anything about this game. Nidalee has a lot of counterplay but low elos refuse to stop being bad , so they will stay bad and cry about champions on G&B instead of trying to learn how to play against them. Nidalee is only a problem in master+.
I'm pushing 40 and don't really play ranked much. In normal queue i have over 60 more wins than losses, that puts me with high gold and low plats, with the occasional diamond. Just because I don't prefer ranked, doesn't mean I am bad at the game.
Your rationale is that of a 12 year old. That is why they don't prohibit people from posting based on ELO, because your perspective is way off, where as mine comes from an educational and professional background in making and balancing video games. Thanks for playing, see you next time.
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Lynxonyx3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T10:38:21.460+0000)
No. You're low elo, your opinion doesn't matter. Is it really that hard to understand?
You got rekt, move along.
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Lynxonyx3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T11:22:42.353+0000)
????????????????????? You're low elo and your opinion doesn't matter. If you were good at the game, you wouldnt be stuck in silver 5 with a 39% winrate. I got my smurf to diamond in about 50 games, my opinion is clearly more valid than yours
Tell that to sports coaches, and see how they laugh at you. Being good at something, and having a full comprehension and understanding of how it works, and how to balance things, are not synonymous. Your logic is flawed, and your attitude is that of a spoiled 11 year old. Move along now son.
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Lynxonyx3 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T11:35:06.091+0000)
You're just a typical low elo who thinks that he knows anything about this game. I'll just ignore you from now on.
Please do, just go away, I was hoping to have a constructive discussion about balance. As I mentioned, I have both a degree and professional industry experience to back any statement I make, as well as having played the game since season 2.
I also worked an internship in college for a professor that had me watch the entirety of every season 3 pro game, and manually log stats for him, for a game design text book he was writing. He is a game professor at one of the best art schools on the East Coast, has tons of game design, and industry experience as well, yet he is Silver too.
Stop being a baby, and maybe admit the way you are looking at things is wrong. Design and balance isn't some elitist jerk, douche bag club. It is an educational and artistic discipline, and has little to do with being good at a game. Back in the 90s I used to hustle people in arcades on Tekken 2 and 3, but that certainly didn't qualify me to balance a fighting game. It just meant I was good at the game, and if pro-esports existed back then, I'd probably have made more than the few hundred dollars I did at the arcades.
Anyhow, low elo? Sure. Typical? Anything but.
Run along now, your mom is calling you for lunch.
A Miss Fortune1 votesI was stupid and played Ranked immediately after I hit level 30 almost. I did terrible and barely won any games. I still got Silver 5 however and I actually remembered that I personally didn't do THAT bad, but I didn't win any games.
I recently started picking up Ranked again and have only lost 2 games, both I did extremely well and every single game I've played so far since I started playing I've gotten fed/carried or had a really good KDA. I notice a lot of the mistakes people in my elo make and I constantly try to evaluate any errors I make. If I die or mess something up, I always try to think on how I can improve and prevent it from happening again.
Just because someone is in lower elo, doesn't mean they're wrong or don't know anything about the game. Actually I would say I've seen people in lower elo have more knowledge about the game than people in higher elo.
HorusEye2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-31T09:32:14.220+0000)
Nidalee is balanced. Sadly she's going to get nerfed because of people like you. This is why low elos shouldn't be allowed to post on G&B.
Says a permabanned.
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HorusEye2 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-31T11:59:32.731+0000)
I got permabanned for no reason, this is so relevant!!!
My smurf is already diamond anyway.
You can be banned for these few reasons:
And what else you think you got banned for? If it were false reports, you wouldn't have been banned then. Plus, you didn't even bother trying your best to send riot a Support Ticket to ask why you got banned for. You're not even as motivated as this guy in this thread. At least he got his account recovered for good reasons.
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HorusEye1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T12:24:54.453+0000)
I have no idea what I got banned for, and if you check my EUW forum posts, you will see that I ask a rioter to check every time I get a chance if my ban was deserved and I never get an answer. They COMPLETELY ignore me. I even made a thread on reddit which got 50+ upvotes and was still ignored. I'm sure a Rioter saw at least one of my comments. BTW I got the exact same message as the person that you linked ( http://i.imgur.com/7IiWm8O.jpg ) and every time I asked Riot support why I got banned, they said that they won't be removing my suspension. It was for "Using exploits to gain an unfair advantage" and it seemed like an automatic ban because I got banned right after a game. Maybe I caused a bug to happen and I didn't even know about it, but Riot support will never tell me and Rioters will just keep ignoring me. I don't make threads on miscellaneous anymore because they get instantly -10 downvotes.
Im pretty sure they have sent you an email for the reasons of your permabanned. Only an idiot would ban out "for fun". Plus, you're just being like other type of chat restricted/suspended/banned threaders who claims themselves to be innocent before getting smited by Lyte.
Additionally, I see nothing but "Buff Riven this, buff Riven that" in all of your discussions. How sad can you be for asking a buff for a champion that has seen plays in LCS more than Darius? For now, I believe you were banned due to "excessive Riven threads" lol.
foinhas1 votes"i got permabanned for no reason"
Maybe riot wanted to ban "Riven Lovejoi" but mistaken the "i" with an "y". I mean, accidents happen, right?
Concerning the topic: This is one of those cases where you just CAN'T balance a champion because its kit is just too overloaded.
Riot also needs to know which direction to take nid on. Should she be a long range sniper? if so, why all the synergy with cougar mode? Should her spear work in conjunctionwith catmode? if so, why so much damage? There's so many different ways to play nid, WITH THE SAME BUILD, that you just can't counter her...
stay away to avoid catnid? 2shot in the face stay mid range to avoid spear damage?catlady'd in the face...
managed to catch nid in a bad position? doesn't matter, she'll just pounce away, heal and spear you in the ass, then pounce back and finish the job...
Hammermancer2 votesNerfing her would make her worthless, all of her abilities are needed as they are to keep her viable at all, i could see nerfing the spears and increasing hp/armor/mr and move speed while in cat form as a viable thing, but then she'd be too tanky
Lynxonyx2 votes[{quoted}](name=T3H UB3RN07,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-31T11:27:28.516+0000)
Nerfing her would make her worthless, all of her abilities are needed as they are to keep her viable at all, i could see nerfing the spears and increasing hp/armor/mr and move speed while in cat form as a viable thing, but then she'd be too tanky
Not really, I think toning down her heal and making the CD much longer would be all that is really required to balance her. Keep in mind how mobile she is, without multiple hard CCs, she is gonna get away and heal to full in moments. It's fine that she get away, but the heal seems a bit much.
Dr Poro1 votesNidalee doesn't even need W and E in human form to be viable. She has as much (if not more) damage as (than) anyone else. Her utilty is just an extra, one that I think should be kept, but a compensation is to be made for it.
TeemoXNidalee1 votesI'm tired of these Nidalee nerf threads. She's very weak now and needs buffs, not nerfs. Her spears/traps/heals used to be muuuuuuuuuuuuch stronger before.
A Miss Fortune1 votesNidalee isn't overpowered but she's broken. If she misses her spear, she won't do much. If she hits her spear, she can easily get a kill. The entire concept of Nidalee is so poorly designed. Either she hits a low cooldown, low mana costing spear and instakills you, or she just doesn't. But even if she's behind she still has enough utility to make up for it.
DJ Di01 votesYou can argue whether she's overpowered or not (I don't think so; she may be leaning towards a feast or famine style, since she has no cc she's utterly useless when behind), but Old Nidalee had a way more toxic playstyle.
Old Nid was essentially an AP Nuker that didn't have to go into short range at all. She was used in the lcs time and time again because she was so safe, while being able to chunk squishies to 10% health in one spear (with a sizable hitbox to boot). I even saw her oneshot people with a spear on several occasions back then. At least now you have to go into melee range to finish people off; her squishy nature will get her easily killed if she tries that with the squishy's team around them, that's why she starts having a harder time once people start grouping.
Nerfing the heal cd wouldn't be too harsh, but you'd need to compensate her (I think she should get her trap damage back to %health rather than just flat damage; it's a useless ability atm).
Lynxonyx1 votes[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2opurEEs,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-07-31T15:31:07.193+0000)
You can argue whether she's overpowered or not (I don't think so; she may be leaning towards a feast or famine style, since she has no cc she's utterly useless when behind), but Old Nidalee had a way more toxic playstyle.
Old Nid was essentially an AP Nuker that didn't have to go into short range at all. She was used in the lcs time and time again because she was so safe, while being able to chunk squishies to 10% health in one spear (with a sizable hitbox to boot). I even saw her oneshot people with a spear on several occasions back then. At least now you have to go into melee range to finish people off; her squishy nature will get her easily killed if she tries that with the squishy's team around them, that's why she starts having a harder time once people start grouping.
Nerfing the heal cd wouldn't be too harsh, but you'd need to compensate her (I think she should get her trap damage back to %health rather than just flat damage; it's a useless ability atm).
This sounds about right, compensating with the trap dmg makes sense.
